Now that Jon Jones admits he's retiring after the Stipe fight

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Jon fans will never disparage him. It be what it be

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Well, I am not a Jones fan boy at all, I was never a Jones fan. But I do call things fairly without any bias. Clearly you don't know the facts of the situation and process.

Bullshit.
I said 'Jones ducked Ngannou' and your reply was...

'...YOU mean Ngannou ducked Jones!'

And now you're playing the "I'm not biased. YOU'RE biased!" card?

Jon announced his return to competition and a new contract on Jan 14th of 2023, the same day that news broke out Francis was leaving the UFC. The UFC announced this the same day to diffuse Francis leaving the promotion and move on with the division. What better way to hide your champion leaving than to announce a new HW title fight and Jon Jones fightin the same day.

Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.
"Jones announced his return to active competition, at heavyweight, for an immediate title shot... right after Ngannou's contract expired."

Now, the fact of the mater is that 10 days or so prior to Jan 14th. Francis was offered a contract with the Jon Jones fight guaranteed, the fight offer was in his hands. Jon agreed and signed a new 8 fight contract prior to this at the end of 2022. Once Jon signed his new deal, the UFC went right to Francis and offered him the fight for UFC 285. The reason why Jon never talked much about this was cause he was working out his own contract for most of 2023.

And the UFC offered Ngannou alot of money... just for the Jones fight... and then it went right back down to normal after that, win or lose.

Terms weren't acceptable to Ngannou, so he walked, as well he should since he made BANK over in boxing.

'Working out his own contract' which would have worked out for him even moreso if he hyped up a potential fight against Ngannou.... but he didn't.

You can talk about all this calling out stuff as your best defense and some BS about denial, but it means nothing. That is all you guys who claim Jon didnt want to fight him have, wacky accusations and conspiracy theories. The opposite side that says Jon wanted and was ready for the fight, actually has some facts saying something different.

'Conspiracy Theories'
'Wacky Accusations.'
Its more like we've seen in combat sports before big-names picking their easiest opponents while avoiding the biggest threats.

For not a Jones fan you're using all the typical excuses Jones fans give for Jones.

Don't get me wrong here, I don't think Francis was afraid to fight him or anything. Or that he was wrong in not signing a new UFC deal. I think Francis did what was best for him and took the best deal for his career and good for him. But if there is anyone to put the blame on for this fight not happening, it's Francis, unforunately.

No, Jones could have fought Ngannou in 2021, preferrably near the end of the year, and if he won that would have put him on excellent negotiation leverage in a new contract.

As for the UFC, it was their mistake for not offering Ngannou what he wanted in a new contract, and they played chicken with him expecting to eventually sign a bottom-dollar deal.

 

[JKS]

Bullshit.
I said 'Jones ducked Ngannou' and your reply was...

'...YOU mean Ngannou ducked Jones!'

And now you're playing the "I'm not biased. YOU'RE biased!" card?



Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.
"Jones announced his return to active competition, at heavyweight, for an immediate title shot... right after Ngannou's contract expired."


And the UFC offered Ngannou alot of money... just for the Jones fight... and then it went right back down to normal after that, win or lose.

Terms weren't acceptable to Ngannou, so he walked, as well he should since he made BANK over in boxing.

'Working out his own contract' which would have worked out for him even moreso if he hyped up a potential fight against Ngannou.... but he didn't.




'Conspiracy Theories'
'Wacky Accusations.'
Its more like we've seen in combat sports before big-names picking their easiest opponents while avoiding the biggest threats.

For not a Jones fan you're using all the typical excuses Jones fans give for Jones.




No, Jones could have fought Ngannou in 2021, preferrably near the end of the year, and if he won that would have put him on excellent negotiation leverage in a new contract.

As for the UFC, it was their mistake for not offering Ngannou what he wanted in a new contract, and they played chicken with him expecting to eventually sign a bottom-dollar deal.

I never said he ducked him, I said he didn't want to fight him and that is under the terms the UFC offered. And I never said you're biased, I said you don't understand the situation of how it all developed.

This defense you're using about Jon announcing his return the moment Francis contract ended isn't very smart. Jon was working on his contract for majority of 2022 with the UFC. Jon Jones towards the end of 2022 signed a new contract. The fact Jon signed his new 8 fight deal is what pushed the UFC to make an offer to Francis for the fight. Francis himself said that the UFC reached out to him shortly after new years and said that the fight is guaranteed in a new contract offer, they said Jon is in and here are the terms and Francis declined the fight offer and contract.

Once again, what you have to understand is that when news broke that Francis is leaving. The UFC used Jon signing a new contract and the HW title fight with Gane as a way to cover up and diffuse Francis leaving. Jon didn't suddenly decide to come back lol. All this was planned in advance when the UFC and Francis didn't come to terms the week prior.

In regards to Francis pay after the Jones fight? There was nothing in his contract that talked about his pay afterwards. It was a 3 fight deal and the only terms for pay were for the Jones fight. His pay wasn't going down to normal after that, it was contingent based on how the Jones fight goes. The UFC wasn't going to pay Francis the same terms if he lost, that would be stupid.

I have always said that no one is at fault here and that the deal just wasn't right for both sides. The UFC in no way should have given Francis the terms he wanted and what he was asking for, mainly allowing him to box. Why would they?? Does nothing for them. That's preferential treatment and who is Francis to deserve that. And the deal wasn't right for Francis either. He left and made big money boxing and made the right call.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

Jones is not ducking, he's negotiating.

 

[Mind Mine]

What exactly would the UFC gain if Jones so happened to beat the shit out of Aspinall and retire? Do you think that would be great for the division and a wise business decision or nah?

 

[Mind Mine]

You certainly can Duck a fight that isn't offered on paper. Here is how that goes:
UFC: Hey Jon you vacated LHW and we would really like to see you at HW. Are you ready yet? DC is the champion.
Jon: No way I am fighting DC at HW and giving him that advantage. (Paraphrased but literally what Jon said)
UFC: Well how about Stipe?
Jon: I need to put on weight but I would love to fight Francis he looks like an easy fight.
UFC: Hey Jon Francis looks like a killer and just KO'd Stipe. You up for that fight?
Jon: I need to put on weight still working on it.
UFC: Hey Jon we weren't willing to pay Francis and also allow him to box so we would love to put you in a vacant title fight.
Jon: As long as it is against Cyril Gane who is my perfect style match up I am all in.

This in no part happened no matter how much you want it to. The UFC isn’t booking that fight nor offering it at all. They know Jones is retiring and him beating Aspinall does absolutely nothing for the division and not even much for the fans. Blame the UFC all you want but blaming a fighter when he wasn’t offered a fight and was never accused by the company of turning it down is horseshit

 

[dipstickjimmy]

This in no part happened no matter how much you want it to. The UFC isn’t booking that fight nor offering it at all. They know Jones is retiring and him beating Aspinall does absolutely nothing for the division and not even much for the fans. Blame the UFC all you want but blaming a fighter when he wasn’t offered a fight and was never accused by the company of turning it down is horseshit

Never said any of that factually happened. It was said you can't refuse a fight without a contract being put forth in writing. These are ways a fighter can refuse a fight without refusing a contract. I won't fight Francis unless you give me:

This was claimed by Dana when Jon asked for too much money as a way of Ducking Francis. So claiming a fighter can only Duck if they refuse a written offer is naive and childish.

 

[VAfan]

he really is a strange human being. i mean he's done all this damage to his legacy at the end for no real reason. all he had to do was retire after the gane fight and it would have looked like gsp after bisping, but now all this dancing around and ducking has made a mess of it. hard to understand what he did.

 

[Mind Mine]

Never said any of that factually happened. It was said you can't refuse a fight without a contract being put forth in writing. These are ways a fighter can refuse a fight without refusing a contract. I won't fight Francis unless you give me:
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This was claimed by Dana when Jon asked for too much money as a way of Ducking Francis. So claiming a fighter can only Duck if they refuse a written offer is naive and childish.

Even stating whatever happened with Francis here is a farce being as in one case Dana stated Jones wanted too much money and in this case no money nor fight was offered. Basically the ducking statements are nonsense and providing out of context situations of how it could be possible he ducked is just fuel for nonsense

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Even stating whatever happened with Francis here is a farce being as in one case Dana was stated Jones wanted too much money and in this case no money nor fight was offered. Basically the ducking statements are nonsense and providing out of context situations of how it could be possible he ducked is just fuel for nonsense