Now that Jon Jones admits he's retiring after the Stipe fight

[GearSolidMetal]

You mean Ngannou didn't want to fight him. All Big Frank had to do was put pen to paper and the fight was a done deal.

No, I don't mean that.

You Jones fanboys thinks its a complete coincodince Jones announced his return to active competition, at heavyweight, for an immediate title shot... right after Ngannou's contract expired.



At no point throughout 2022, while Jones was training to return and Ngannou was sitting out his contract with an 'injury' did Jones ever make a public challenge to Ngannou to put the pressure on him to sign a new contract.

And we all know the reason why, but you Jones fanboys are in denial about it.

 

[JKS]

Nah, Aspinall was on the bench for most of Jon's HW reign. He can keep crying himself to sleep until he gets "promoted" to paper HW champion.

I'd need proof that a fight contract versus Aspinall has ever been on the table. Can't duck if you're never offered.

What do you mean on the bench??

 

[Yankee]

Jones haters are sadder than us nuthuggers.

Once he retires you guys will have nothing it'll be sad to see. If he for whatever reason actually doesn't retire and beats Tom oh god this place is going to implode. This man has been doing nothing but championship fights since 2011 if he wants to retire after Stipe he can he doesn't NEED to fight Tom to cement any legacy.

I for one want to see him fight Tom just for the chaos.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

What do you mean on the bench??

Out injured

 

[JKS]

No, I don't mean that.

You Jones fanboys thinks its a complete coincodince Jones announced his return to active competition, at heavyweight, for an immediate title shot... right after Ngannou's contract expired.



At no point throughout 2022, while Jones was training to return and Ngannou was sitting out his contract with an 'injury' did Jones ever make a public challenge to Ngannou to put the pressure on him to sign a new contract.

And we all know the reason why, but you Jones fanboys are in denial about it.

Well, I am not a Jones fan boy at all, I was never a Jones fan. But I do call things fairly without any bias. Clearly you don't know the facts of the situation and process.

Jon announced his return to competition and a new contract on Jan 14th of 2023, the same day that news broke out Francis was leaving the UFC. The UFC announced this the same day to diffuse Francis leaving the promotion and move on with the division. What better way to hide your champion leaving than to announce a new HW title fight and Jon Jones fightin the same day.

Now, the fact of the mater is that 10 days or so prior to Jan 14th. Francis was offered a contract with the Jon Jones fight guaranteed, the fight offer was in his hands. Jon agreed and signed a new 8 fight contract prior to this at the end of 2022. Once Jon signed his new deal, the UFC went right to Francis and offered him the fight for UFC 285. The reason why Jon never talked much about this was cause he was working out his own contract for most of 2023.

You can talk about all this calling out stuff as your best defense and some BS about denial, but it means nothing. That is all you guys who claim Jon didnt want to fight him have, wacky accusations and conspiracy theories. The opposite side that says Jon wanted and was ready for the fight, actually has some facts saying something different.

Don't get me wrong here, I don't think Francis was afraid to fight him or anything. Or that he was wrong in not signing a new UFC deal. I think Francis did what was best for him and took the best deal for his career and good for him. But if there is anyone to put the blame on for this fight not happening, it's Francis, unforunately.

 

[JKS]

Out injured

Jon was out injured, Aspinal fought 3x during his reign.

 

[Poirierfan]

Oh shit, "you'd say"?

This changes everything! It's basically as good as evidence!

You don't feel discuss immediately after you jerk off to Jon's mug shots?

 

[Dana's Conscience]

I'll translate for you -

"...if the money was right." = "....if Dana pays me far more than what he's willing to pay me."

Could have fought DC at HW, but he didn't want to.
Could have fought Ngannou, but he didn't want to.
Could fight Aspinall, but he doesn't want to.

So what? Jon shouldn't campaign for himself for a bag after a decade+ of title fights when the UFC's profits are through the roof? Because the UFC pays their fighters like shit relative to what they earn for them, Jon should just accept it? If you want to criticize Jon, him holding out for some money to take riskier fights after all he's done for the promotion isn't the angle, my guy. That's the promotion's narrative. People are always criticizing the UFC for treating the fighters like shit, but when it comes to Jon, they break out the pom poms for them.

1. Well, he wasn't going to fight DC without the belt on the line, and the only time DC had the belt was for 8 months after Jon returned when he reclaimed the LHW belt and was busy defending it a couple times.
2. There was actually a very limited window for the Ngannou fight (between Stipe/Ngannou 2 and Lewis/Gane), and during that period, Dana chose to alienate Jon. I don't blame him one bit for not caving and taking the fight then.
3. He still could fight Aspinall. Believe me, I'm not thrilled about the Stipe fight either, but I understand why Jon wants it. It's an easy payday, and one that would go away if he took the riskier fight and lost.

 

[JKS]

So what? Jon shouldn't campaign for himself for a bag after a decade+ of title fights when the UFC's profits are through the roof? Because the UFC pays their fighters like shit relative to what they earn for them, Jon should just accept it? If you want to criticize Jon, him holding out for some money to take riskier fights after all he's done for the promotion isn't the angle, my guy. That's the promotion's narrative. People are always criticizing the UFC for treating the fighters like shit, but when it comes to Jon, they break out the pom poms for them.

1. Well, he wasn't going to fight DC without the belt on the line, and the only time DC had the belt was for 8 months after Jon returned when he reclaimed the LHW belt and was busy defending it a couple times.
2. There was actually a very limited window for the Ngannou fight (between Stipe/Ngannou 2 and Lewis/Gane), and during that period, Dana chose to alienate Jon. I don't blame him one bit for not caving and taking the fight then.
3. He still could fight Aspinall. Believe me, I'm not thrilled about the Stipe fight either, but I understand why Jon wants it. It's an easy payday, and one that would go away if he took the riskier fight and lost.

Good to see people understanding that there was a narrow window for Jones/Ngannou to happen. All you hear from Jones hater and the peanut gallery is how "Jon had years to fight him" which is complete BS.

 

[nonoob]

Jon won the belt in March 23 and immediately focused on the Stipe fight, originally aiming for July but Stipe wasn't ready and then it was booked for November 23.

YEAH !!! Pico-gote wanted to Destroy Stipe while Stipe was holding the HW belt.

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[RockyLockridge]

The era between Ngannou's final title defense and Jones retiring will be viewed as worse than Tim Sylvia's title reign.

The entire division being held up by Ngannou running out the clock on his contract, then Jones being a complete egotist by taking out the two easiest possible opponents to dub himself 'The Greatest Heavyweight in UFC History' while ducking the only true legitimate threat in the division to his undefeated streak.

Actually the wrorst part of it all was DC and stipe

 

[RockyLockridge]

Good to see people understanding that there was a narrow window for Jones/Ngannou to happen. All you hear from Jones hater and the peanut gallery is how "Jon had years to fight him" which is complete BS.

Not even a Jones fan but for those who blame him for this fight not happening, you know they are deranged.

 

[Luthien]

Hoot do you mean . . NOW?

Before LAST November, he said it was his retirement fight, at MSG.

This Jones was always clear that he wanted to surpass DC at HW by beating Stipe and then it was bye bye

 

[OldBoy91]

Interesting stat, Jones has fought 1 time in like four years, Meanwhile Dustin Poirier has fought 8 times in four years.

Aspinall is like 7 or 8-1 in the time Jon has fought a single time too.

One is an "up and comer that hasn't earned shit"

The other is "the GOAT who walks out of amy room no matter who you put him in there with. If you don't agree you can't watch MMA anymore you fuckin' goof."

 

[JKS]

Not even a Jones fan but for those who blame him for this fight not happening, you know they are deranged.

Yah, I've seen this go back and forth since Francis left the UFC. I've never heard one reasonable argument from anyone claiming Jones ducked the fight or didnt' want it.

 

[KO Shotz]

Jon had a great career. His reign at 205 during his prime was something very special. I wish we could've got to see him fight Pereira at least, but oh well.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Jon said he'd fight DC at HW if the money was right

Jon called for Stipe right after DC 3. I literally remember him tweeting that he was going up that night. Stipe was only champion for seven months after though, which obviously isn't enough time. Jon wasn't out for most of the time he was out because he was putting on weight. There were a variety of circumstances including six months between Reyes fight and decision to move up, the period where Dana was antagonizing him because Jon wanted more than 500k or whatever to fight Francis, the Gane unification fight with Francis, and the year the HW belt was on the shelf when Francis was injured and had the ongoing contract debacle. I get that it's easier to just say Jon was ducking for years, but the story was far more complicated. This is typical though. People on here were making threads for years about how Jon would never move up to HW. Then he does, wins the belt in half a round, and now everyone has to scramble for narratives to discredit the win and reason why the goalposts need to once again be moved even further.

That is a lot of hoops you are jumping through to avoid admitting Jon has claimed he would move to HW for years but has not done much of what he has claimed. Even before DC won the title which was 2018. He had several chances to do so but in the 8 or so years since he claimed he would move up he has 1 fight in the division but he is supposedly the best HW? Its pretty simple. Undisputed Champ which is what Jon claims to be cannot fight someone else when there is an Interim Champion and still call themself "Champion".

No goal posts moved for me. Anyone who wins a vacant title isn't really the champ until they defend. IMO they should have to win a tournament. This applies ten fold for a guy who wins a vacant title in their first ever fight in the division and the opponent isn't even a former champion.

I am a huge GSP fan and he did beat The Man who beat The Man but I don't consider him the GOAT MW. Jon so far has been very selective as to who at HW he will fight. That isn't what a true Champion does.

Cejudo never defended his FlyW title against a rightful #1 contender.
Cejudo never defended his BW title which he won as a vacant belt against a rightful #1 contender.

Conor never defended FW or LW at all.

Cejudo and Conor are examples of "Champions" who were not really true champions. Defending isn't easy and that is why DJ, GSP, Anderson, Stipe, Aldo & Jon at LHW are all GOATS.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

No he's not ducking aspinall.


The man has like 15 title wins there will always be some other guy. He can retire now if he wants hes done enough. it's kinda insane that we can just saying "what about this guy?"o after he beats aspinall, he will be ducking Alexander volkov if he beat gane next so Why bother??

I mean he's HW champ and he's not fighting the clear best HW, he's fighting an inactive fighter in his early 40s. I know what he's done and all but right now he's avoiding Aspinall, that's clear.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I mean he's HW champ and he's not fighting the clear best HW, he's fighting an inactive fighter in his early 40s. I know what he's done and all but right now he's avoiding Aspinall, that's clear.

He's doing his retirement fight against an opponent of his choosing, something afforded to him through his 15 title fight unbeaten streak.


I wish they'd take the title out of the picture and let the new guy have his career.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

He's doing his retirement fight against an opponent of his choosing, something afforded to him through his 15 title fight unbeaten streak.


I wish they'd take the title out of the picture and let the new guy have his career.

Yeah I agree 100%, that's the part that shits me, Aspinall deserves the title. At this point he'll have cleaned out the division by the time he actually gets the belt which is crazy.