Not understanding the Bader hate- called gatekeeper?

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  1. elbowsandwiches

    elbowsandwiches Brown Belt

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    Every fighter gets (1) mulligan in their careers, including the TUF winner: Ryan Bader.

    GSP with Matt Serra
    Ryan Bader with Tito Ortiz
    Renan Barao with TJ
    Jon Jones with Matt Hamill
    Silva with Weidman (when he was showboating)

    you get my point. So if you allow one mistake for Bader's career it would be Tito Ortiz (who some would argue isn't a extreme slouch)

    with that excluded lets take a look at his other three losses:

    Glover: if you watch this fight Bader was winning every second and had glover rocked, against the cage.... when bader gets caught by a hail mary punch in the flurry. Glover was on a 20 fight win streak. Bader could have easily won this match.

    Jon Jones: p4p best fighter in the world. nuff said.

    Machida : Look at what he did against CB. Not crazy to think he could beat Weidman in a rematch.


    So what is all this gatekeeper nonsense, to me....calling someone a gatekeeper means you cant beat anyone in the top 5....which I think he could.

    Thoughts? People act like bader is a scrub.
     
  2. Joe_Armstrong

    Joe_Armstrong Starfleet Belt

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    Honestly I don't think he's that good.
     
  3. Degen Gambler

    Degen Gambler Silver Belt

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    Until he actually proves otherwise he is a gatekeeper. A very solid gatekeeper.
     
  4. elbowsandwiches

    elbowsandwiches Brown Belt

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    elaborate? don't be a sheep and call him "not good" because you hear other people saying it.

    WHY do you think hes not good? because hes lost to the best in the world?
     
  5. StankyPecker

    StankyPecker Yellow Belt

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    Ryan Bader is the definition of a gatekeeper.

    Who exactly in the top 5 is he beating?
     
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    JudoThrowFiasco Charming Quark Platinum Member

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    I'd love to see him fight Rashad.
     
  7. Th3Sav4ge

    Th3Sav4ge "What the fuck is happening!?"

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    Gate keeper is to far i agree. Leben was a gatekeeper, not bader

    Bader is a beast
     
  8. nyduccie

    nyduccie Banned Banned

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    Yeah, idk if you can clearly be top 7 in the world and be a gatekeeper...
     
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    elbowsandwiches Brown Belt

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    Rashad? Glover? Davis? ....not saying could beat handsdown, but I wouldn't be shocked if bader won.
     
  10. StankyPecker

    StankyPecker Yellow Belt

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    At LHW you can be.

    Again, who does he beat in the top 5? There's just another level at LHW and Bader isn't anywhere near it.

    Gus, Rumble, Jones, Cormier destroy him.
     
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    His last 3 decision wins have been very unimpressive.
     
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    He's on a very good streak and has been improving a lot imo.. He won't be champ, but no shame in that when Jones is champ.
     
  13. SeattleFightFan

    SeattleFightFan Steel Belt

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    cool. others don't. that's all this whole thread is.

    except that for some reason you seem to equate "gatekeeper" with "scrub". why is that, TS? why do you think something like the 7th best fighter in the world - someone who beats most but isn't quite up there with the elite several of their era - would be a scrub?!?
     
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    StankyPecker Yellow Belt

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    You can only consider one of those top 5, because you have Jones, Cormier, Gus, Rumble.


    Glover knocked him out, Davis beats him wherever he wants, and I'd bet on old Rashard as well.

    Bader's second tier talent, and a good way to measure if a fighter belongs in the upper echelon or not, he's a gate keeper.
     
  15. VulcanNervPinch

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    1) Agreed, he gets too much hate for one lapse
    2) That's not what gatekeeper means
    3) Regardless, I don't think he has a chance against any top 5 except Davis, and I'd still have him a solid underdog there.
     
  16. streetscience

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    until ryan bader learns to move his head he will be a gatekeeper
     
  17. Fartler

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    Bader is a great athlete and can beat a lot of guys. I wouldn't call him a gatekeeper, but he has trouble with the top guys. I do think he can beat Glover, and I would like to see how he would do against Phil Davis. Rashad, Rumble, Gus, and DC would run through him.
     
  18. nyduccie

    nyduccie Banned Banned

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    I wasn't aware that if you weren't top 5 you are then a gatekeeper. What specifically is your definition?
     
  19. Joe_Armstrong

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    Yes
     
  20. MMAFan232

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    He is a solid top 10 guy but I dont see him ever challenging for the belt. The top 5 is too good for him
     

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