No gripping.

[thugpoet]

No gi gripping **

How do you all use the grips in relation to gripping for no gi?

I've been a underhook, guy for most of my career however lately I've fallen in lust with 2 on 1 Marcelo style.

I'd like to use the Russian style grip but my mind hasn't wrapped around how to apply it from my game stand point yet

 

[lechien]

For stand up?
I don't use the Russian style grip

I just the top to bottom philosophy.

Start chopping from top to bottom

Collar tie and wrist control.

Hence, head snap down first.

If he postures up to counter

Move to arm drag
.if he frees his arm to defend,
.single leg.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[thugpoet]

Has anyone seen kit dales gripping DVD?

 

[Peteyandjia]

Pffft, gripping is so 2018 bro.

Get with the current meta.

 

[RJ Green]

change nothing. grip with no mercy. skin is supple. pain is temporary. judo is life.

 

[rmongler]

If you have hand control, 80% of what the other guy wants to do goes out the window right from the get-go.

Watching Marcelo will get you a good demonstration of this.

 

[INTERL0PER]

I tend to use very similar grips as I do in the gi but instead of a collar and sleeve, it's a collar tie and wrist. I play a lot of guard and I'm also a big fan of reaching over the shoulders/back to grab the far lat muscle/armpit as a grip. I also LOVE what I call the "Khabib grip", where I reach over the back, but thread my hand between the bend of their arm and get a far side wrist control. It's super tight and people feel immediately vulnerable. From there, it's triangle season all day.

 

[rmongler]

I also LOVE what I call the "Khabib grip", where I reach over the back, but thread my hand between the bend of their arm and get a far side wrist control. It's super tight and people feel immediately vulnerable. From there, it's triangle season all day.

Trying to imagine what you mean since it sounds interesting; do you mean like pulling their arm behind their back like a hammer lock? Or like a one handed kimura/DWL grip, but with their head in rather than out? Or is it like a gift wrap, but your arm around their head gripping their opposite side hand, rather than the same-side hand?

 

[ChainFlow]

Trying to imagine what you mean since it sounds interesting; do you mean like pulling their arm behind their back like a hammer lock? Or like a one handed kimura/DWL grip, but with their head in rather than out? Or is it like a gift wrap, but your arm around their head gripping their opposite side hand, rather than the same-side hand?

Pretty sure he just means a far side inside wrist control. Farside one on one. Whatever you wanna call it.

The fact that it’s a magical move to some shows how little wrestling really has made its way into BJJ

 

[Zankou]

For stand up?
I don't use the Russian style grip

I just the top to bottom philosophy.

Start chopping from top to bottom

Collar tie and wrist control.

Hence, head snap down first.

If he postures up to counter

Move to arm drag
.if he frees his arm to defend,
.single leg.

Rinse and repeat.

Much truth to this post ... especially against a BJJ style ass-up broken-back style, you gotta send them into the mat continuously. That sets up everything. I like to hit reaps off of them pulling back up, but the principle is the same.

 

[INTERL0PER]

Trying to imagine what you mean since it sounds interesting; do you mean like pulling their arm behind their back like a hammer lock? Or like a one handed kimura/DWL grip, but with their head in rather than out? Or is it like a gift wrap, but your arm around their head gripping their opposite side hand, rather than the same-side hand?

Pretty sure he just means a far side inside wrist control. Farside one on one. Whatever you wanna call it.

The fact that it’s a magical move to some shows how little wrestling really has made its way into BJJ

Basically what ChainFlow said. Or the one handed Kimura grip description with the head 'in' instead of 'out'.

So, for example, from closed guard, I shift my weight/angle so I'm on my right hip and I can reach over their shoulder and across their back with my left arm. Then, instead of just gripping their lat/armpit, my arm continues and gets inside control of their left wrist/forearm. Often I'll have to get a grip on their left wrist with my right hand (as you would to set up a triangle or something) and then push their arm back to feed it to my left arm.

I call it the "Khabib" because it's very similar to the grip he often gets from top of turtle (I'm fairly certain he used it a lot against Michael Johnson). Askren gets a similar grip. As ChainFlow pointed out, it's basically a common wrestling grip, except I use it from closed guard. I'm a very long, lanky dude, so it's entirely possible that it won't work for a lot of people. Or rather, it's very dependent on the size of your opponent. I struggle to get it on very broad/thick grapplers. But if I do get it, I'm usually guaranteed a triangle, guillotine, sweep, or sometimes a strange kimura/hammerlock variant. It just completely immobilizes them (unless they're much better than me, in which case they blow through it... as they do with everything I try to do haha).

You can see the grip a lot in this BJJ Scout breakdown of Khabib (like at the 30 second mark)...

 

[rmongler]

Basically what ChainFlow said. Or the one handed Kimura grip description with the head 'in' instead of 'out'.

So, for example, from closed guard, I shift my weight/angle so I'm on my right hip and I can reach over their shoulder and across their back with my left arm. Then, instead of just gripping their lat/armpit, my arm continues and gets inside control of their left wrist/forearm. Often I'll have to get a grip on their left wrist with my right hand (as you would to set up a triangle or something) and then push their arm back to feed it to my left arm.

I call it the "Khabib" because it's very similar to the grip he often gets from top of turtle (I'm fairly certain he used it a lot against Michael Johnson). Askren gets a similar grip. As ChainFlow pointed out, it's basically a common wrestling grip, except I use it from closed guard. I'm a very long, lanky dude, so it's entirely possible that it won't work for a lot of people. Or rather, it's very dependent on the size of your opponent. I struggle to get it on very broad/thick grapplers. But if I do get it, I'm usually guaranteed a triangle, guillotine, sweep, or sometimes a strange kimura/hammerlock variant. It just completely immobilizes them (unless they're much better than me, in which case they blow through it... as they do with everything I try to do haha).

You can see the grip a lot in this BJJ Scout breakdown of Khabib (like at the 30 second mark)...

Yeah i had a feeling that was what you meant from the name. It's a great move, moves that attack a 'back angle' in general are generally the means by which you get dominant control over an opponent in grappling. The half cow-catcher/100% is also good for this here.

 

[lechien]

Much truth to this post ... especially against a BJJ style ass-up broken-back style, you gotta send them into the mat continuously. That sets up everything. I like to hit reaps off of them pulling back up, but the principle is the same.

Yeah. I got the concept from wrestlers.

Too many bad habits in bjj, when we shoot from a mile away for a lazy double leg just get sprawled on.

The concept is the the opposite of my Thai when you chop the legs first.
You starts up and work the snap down to force to posture up and therefore open the torso which leads to to attacking the arm drag and so on and so on.

Lately I have studying a lot of John Danaher video with the push and pull concept.
If you want someone to go towards, push them back

So I never like the judo set up of stepping fowards or backward.

For tai toshi for example.
I prefer getting the grips and pushing the uke.
Once you learn fowards to counter the push them I attempt the throw.
My friend just came back from a two months training visit in Japan and came up with the idea.
Japanese judokas don't walk towards or backward ....they literally leans against each other and wait for a reaction to throw.
It is like playing chicken when 2 boy racers are driving towards each others.

 

[Kbits]

If you're talking about stand up:

One of the frustrations I had/have going from judo to wrestling is how similar but entirely different the gripping games are.

No gi relies on natural grips; jackets allow you to grip almost anywhere and then climb into dominant positions. Jacket gripping is both a sword and a shield; no gi is same same but annoyingly different. Maybe these will help

 

[peregrine]

The secret to gripping is to KNOW WHY you're gripping.
This will tell you where to grip.
If your opponent is a puppet, where do you have to attach the string to move or limit him?

The jacket and gi is an extension of such grip.

I could tell you the answers, but the answers people discover themselves are more valuable.

What do most Brazilians yell in matches? Starts with a P
What else do they yell?
Rhymes with ace.

For myself when ever I see a move I look at what is going on. What parts of his body do I need to do what? It comes down to a few principles. Less than a handful. Know the goal and apply the principles then your game understanding will increase. This will refine your own game.

This video is a nice illustration

 

[rmongler]

In terms of pure grappling, without worrying about strikes, i think the Karelin style inside 2 on 1 series is just about close to perfect for making contact and advancing to a dominant position in the grip fight.

Para exemple:






When strikes are involved, getting to the underhook is a lot more valuable, since that gives you control for disrupting his posture and moving him around, while also leaving your other arm free to strike or block his other arm, setting up knee strikes as well.

 

[Patrick Jane]

change nothing. grip with no mercy. skin is supple. pain is temporary. judo is life.

It's only natural. Sink your grip right into the flesh of your prey. Predator style.