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Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by jarra22, Sep 6, 2010.

  1. jarra22

    jarra22 White Belt

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    My friend told me that before i can punch someone(at full force) in the head/face without hurting my hands i should be able to do at least 20 knuckle pushups on a hardwood/cement floor. Is this true?
     
  2. Tungtvann

    Tungtvann Blue Belt

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    Try it.
     
  3. jarra22

    jarra22 White Belt

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    i cant do 20 knuckle pushups on cement and ive never punched someone full force in the face/head without a glove on.
     
  4. Bennosuke

    Bennosuke Blue Belt

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    The face and head are very hard and boney. Without protection, it is very easy to damage your hands when punching someone in the face. Before the advent of modern boxing gloves, punches to the head were underutilized due to the threat of hand injury (boxer's knuckle, boxer's fracture or a MC fracture, thumb sprains, ganglionic cysts, laceration).

    Karateka practice knuckle push ups to harden the tissues in the hand so that the bones are held in place better and so the bones may be harder. There is no real research proving whether or not this does anything, although it makes some sense. I can do 20 knuckle push ups but still be worried about hand injury. That said, a good punch to the face can put an attacker out.

    Why do you ask this question?
     
  5. ECS123

    ECS123 Purple Belt

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    Ask your friend, if you can test his theory on him, prior to the bare knuckle push ups. After all if it is true, and he firmly believes it, his nose "shouldn't" get broken. If he is not willing to do it, maybe he doesn't really believe his theory is true. :rolleyes:

    :icon_chee
     
  6. phanattic

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    kicking people in the head (barefoot), now that hurts both parties involved
     
  7. mjw1

    mjw1 Blue Belt

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    You have to hit the soft tissues of the face the back of the head can hurt your hands
     
  8. Bennosuke

    Bennosuke Blue Belt

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    Ya, but the chin and brow are friggin hard and easy to hurt your hand on.
     
  9. BOMB LEFT HOOK

    BOMB LEFT HOOK Banned Banned

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    WTF?

    What is this Fight Club?
     
  10. Cdn_Fight_Fan

    Cdn_Fight_Fan Green Belt

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    That's true, however if the guy you are punching has been doing face pushups on concrete then his facial tissue will be harder and you will still hurt your hand.
     
  11. luke2342

    luke2342 Orange Belt

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    Bad example used by your friend. Consider this.

    How many knuckle push ups on concrete do you think someone like Roy Nelson or James Toney could do?

    They would have a much better chance of not breaking their hands on someone skull than a proffesional on concrete knuckle push upperrer.

    Technique > Hand protection > Hand conditionning > Knuckle-pushups on concrete.
     
  12. Cannon_6

    Cannon_6 Green Belt

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    Your friend is wrong. It is common knowledge that in order to throw full-power bareknuckle punches, you have to do your push-ups on broken glass and flaming excrement.
     
  13. surfer dude

    surfer dude Blue Belt

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    I wanted to discuss these 2 points:

    Are you referring to the days when boxing gloves were stuffed with horse hair, and boxers were trained to turn the fist over for strikes? Because back in the bare knuckled prize fighter days, they kept their palms facing upward when they struck for good reason. Because it was much less likely to result in injury. Even then, I do not remember seeing films of old fights where the body shots dominated the action.

    And while we do knuckle ups in karate; makiwara, tameshiwari, and (depending on where you train) many of other methods are used for conditioning. And all the open hand strikes exist with purpose. ;)
     
  14. Brooklyn

    Brooklyn Green Belt

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    Lmao.:icon_lol:

    So true. Don't ever neglect the importance of face pushups.
     
  15. Bennosuke

    Bennosuke Blue Belt

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    Surfer dude- To be honest, I got this from anectodal information used in a few biomechanics research papers I used. I'm in class right now (yay medical school) on a newer computer. Pleae Pm me to remind me, and I will send you the articles (there may be citations). Sorry that's the best I can offer.

    I've actually done knockdown karate for a few years myself, so I know about the different hands hardening methods. I've actually been really interested in trying to put together a study about what effect hand training has on protecting the hand. Actually any thoughts on how to test hand hardness would be helpful :redface:
     
  16. Lionidas

    Lionidas Brown Belt

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    Proper technique and power will probably break your opponents face.....and your hand.

    I highly doubt that knuckle push-ups will help strengthen the bones in the hand. Just take lots of calcium everyday and hope for the best TS.
     

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