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Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Lord Coke, May 18, 2014.

  1. Lord Coke Black Belt

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    This is a classic Obama Chicago politics. We are on the verge of the biggest agricultural meltdown since the dust bowl and he's been trying to blame this on mites to help out his donors at Brayer

    http://www.vice.com/read/looks-like...ut-whats-killing-the-bees?utm_source=vicefbus


     
  2. Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    They are already suspending the use of neonicotinoid pesticides on flowering crops in Europe.
    There's been a lot of investigation though, and the relevant bodies in the US, UK, Canada and Australia still consider the risks to be unsubstantiated or minimal with appropriate use.
     
  3. Lord Coke Black Belt

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    Ya the real issue is the bee issues has been entirely blamed on mites so unlike Europe we don't have a baseline this could be bad for bees if used improperly premise. I'm not saying there already hasn't been research but that research hasn't' been placed into policy.
     
  4. Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Well they don't have mites to blame here, so they are focusing on putting better instructions on the packaging... as if that'd stop farmers abusing pesticides.
     
  5. MusterX Titanium Belt

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    The pesticide makers, the farmers, and frankly all of us are going to regret it if the bees die off.
     
  6. Cubo de Sangre Titanium Belt

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    If the same thing is happening where the mites don't exist wouldn't that be a real good indicator to the mite-theory supporters that something else is the culprit? And yeah, farmers will surely follow the new and improved instructions. :wink:
     
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    I have a hard time believing that the ones at the top don't know what is killing the bees.

    Considering the repercussions of such things, even to the national security and economic level, to see them spinning in circles just reeks of a cover up.
     
  8. Scrody Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    It does?!
     
  9. jefferz Gold Belt

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    Sorry to burst your bubble turbo but most farmers use less than recommended directions due to the cost of pesticides. I sell farm chemical, I'm filling anhydrous tanks at the moment.
     
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    Far leftists once again defending the destruction of family farms. It's the norm, especially here.
     
  11. MadSquabbles500 Steel Belt

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    So big tobacco and GMO corn are the culprit to the bee colony collapse syndrome?

    If they really wanted to know for sure, they can shut both big tobacco and GMO corn down for a bit and see what happens. I would not complain. I think only the people that smoke, work for, buy GMO corn would.
     
  12. Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    There's no bubble tiger, I'm perfectly aware of what happens down on the farm.
    If there aren't cases of exceeding the recommended concentrations due to misuse, abuse or over use, there is unlikely to be any issue. The studies which found negative effects were based on concentrations around 7-10 times what should be found.
    Point was, if that's happening then it's not because they misread the directions.

    Unfortunately environmental science doesn't seem to have much impact on farming actions without regulation, as we can see locally in the destruction of the Murray-Darling due to land clearing, irrigation and the use of fertilisers.
     
  13. gogoGomi unstoppable_flow

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    Yeah, the science supporting neonics causing bee CCD is paper thin.
    Neonics only show up in less than 5% of pollen samples (http://www.plosone.org/.../10.1371/journal.pone.0009754...).

    It's unlikely that neonicotinoid pesticides are affecting bee survival, according to a recent review (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24363549). Consistently, the relevant research reports that neonics do not significantly affect bee health (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19508759 , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19449641 , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17598537).

    Ultimately, a 4 year field study found that thiamethoxam does not significantly affect bee colony survival (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24194871).

    Mostly laboratory studies - low-tier research - report that neonicotinoids are harmful, while field studies - superior research - find no harmful effect of neonics on bee health. "Many laboratory studies described lethal and sublethal effects of neonicotinoids on the foraging behavior, and learning and memory abilities of bees, while no effects were observed in field studies at field-realistic dosages" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3338325/).

    Basically, there's no evidence proving that neonics are killing the bees.

    Australia loves neonics, but they have not experienced honey bee losses (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3869053/). On the other hand, many honey bees died in France, despite French restrictions on imidacloprids (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3869053/).//
     
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  15. KONG-D'SNT-TAP Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    farmers have been getting handouts forever now..

    And lets be honest small local farmers who grow all natural produce don't get any handouts from the government..

    The handouts all go to cash crops like corn and such, nothing being subsidized is actually good to be ingested on a daily basis, like fruits and veggies...

    "Family Farms" are as corrupt as any other business.


    More BS propaganda..
     
  16. KONG-D'SNT-TAP Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    and these companies are getting the biggest handout.. To the tune of multi billions.. Their lobbying groups are strong in the dark side of the force..

    Why subsidize broccoli and make it affordable when we can feed our public crap laden with corn syrup.
     
  17. Blackened It is a new era! Double Yellow Card

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    Damned cigarettes. First they take mah papi, then my grand papi... now they takin' mah bees!
     
  18. Siderealmotion R.I.P. Charles Brown

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    Get out of here with your facts! We have chemical companies and GMO's to blame for something!
     
  19. Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It doesn't happen here to the extent it happens in countries with varroa mites though.
    Also our bees are less inbred than Americans.
    Misuse of pesticides is unlikely to be widespread enough to be the cause anyway.
    I think they are looking at the interaction of fungicides, pesticides and parasites as the most probable cause.
     
  20. Siderealmotion R.I.P. Charles Brown

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    Since CCD is still evident in Europe more than a year after the neonicotinoid ban went into effect, and Australian bees are thriving while neonicotinoid use is high, I think the link between the mites and CCD is pretty solid, even if the mites aren't the one and only cause.
     

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