nicotine kills....bees

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Lord Coke, May 18, 2014.

  1. Lord Coke

    Lord Coke Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2003
    Messages:
    5,333
    Likes Received:
    6,223
    Location:
    \
    This is a classic Obama Chicago politics. We are on the verge of the biggest agricultural meltdown since the dust bowl and he's been trying to blame this on mites to help out his donors at Brayer

    http://www.vice.com/read/looks-like...ut-whats-killing-the-bees?utm_source=vicefbus


     
  2. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    33,590
    Likes Received:
    16,379
    They are already suspending the use of neonicotinoid pesticides on flowering crops in Europe.
    There's been a lot of investigation though, and the relevant bodies in the US, UK, Canada and Australia still consider the risks to be unsubstantiated or minimal with appropriate use.
     
  3. Lord Coke

    Lord Coke Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2003
    Messages:
    5,333
    Likes Received:
    6,223
    Location:
    \
    Ya the real issue is the bee issues has been entirely blamed on mites so unlike Europe we don't have a baseline this could be bad for bees if used improperly premise. I'm not saying there already hasn't been research but that research hasn't' been placed into policy.
     
  4. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    33,590
    Likes Received:
    16,379
    Well they don't have mites to blame here, so they are focusing on putting better instructions on the packaging... as if that'd stop farmers abusing pesticides.
     
  5. MusterX

    MusterX Titanium Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2006
    Messages:
    39,006
    Likes Received:
    36,366
    The pesticide makers, the farmers, and frankly all of us are going to regret it if the bees die off.
     
  6. Cubo de Sangre

    Cubo de Sangre President of the War Room

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2014
    Messages:
    38,283
    Likes Received:
    40,319
    Location:
    Hell
    If the same thing is happening where the mites don't exist wouldn't that be a real good indicator to the mite-theory supporters that something else is the culprit? And yeah, farmers will surely follow the new and improved instructions. :wink:
     
  7. IDL

    IDL Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    24,349
    Likes Received:
    19,723
    Location:
    Lending money to your government
    I have a hard time believing that the ones at the top don't know what is killing the bees.

    Considering the repercussions of such things, even to the national security and economic level, to see them spinning in circles just reeks of a cover up.
     
  8. Scrody

    Scrody Gold Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    16,722
    Likes Received:
    2,845
    It does?!
     
  9. jefferz

    jefferz Gold Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    20,657
    Likes Received:
    27,107
    Sorry to burst your bubble turbo but most farmers use less than recommended directions due to the cost of pesticides. I sell farm chemical, I'm filling anhydrous tanks at the moment.
     
  10. Calmete

    Calmete Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2014
    Messages:
    589
    Likes Received:
    0
    Far leftists once again defending the destruction of family farms. It's the norm, especially here.
     
  11. MadSquabbles500

    MadSquabbles500 Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2011
    Messages:
    28,375
    Likes Received:
    12,786
    Location:
    New Jersey now Queens
    So big tobacco and GMO corn are the culprit to the bee colony collapse syndrome?

    If they really wanted to know for sure, they can shut both big tobacco and GMO corn down for a bit and see what happens. I would not complain. I think only the people that smoke, work for, buy GMO corn would.
     
  12. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    33,590
    Likes Received:
    16,379
    There's no bubble tiger, I'm perfectly aware of what happens down on the farm.
    If there aren't cases of exceeding the recommended concentrations due to misuse, abuse or over use, there is unlikely to be any issue. The studies which found negative effects were based on concentrations around 7-10 times what should be found.
    Point was, if that's happening then it's not because they misread the directions.

    Unfortunately environmental science doesn't seem to have much impact on farming actions without regulation, as we can see locally in the destruction of the Murray-Darling due to land clearing, irrigation and the use of fertilisers.
     
  13. gogoGomi

    gogoGomi unstoppable_flow

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2007
    Messages:
    5,018
    Likes Received:
    8
    Location:
    Knee-slicing safe-spaces
    Yeah, the science supporting neonics causing bee CCD is paper thin.
    Neonics only show up in less than 5% of pollen samples (http://www.plosone.org/.../10.1371/journal.pone.0009754...).

    It's unlikely that neonicotinoid pesticides are affecting bee survival, according to a recent review (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24363549). Consistently, the relevant research reports that neonics do not significantly affect bee health (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19508759 , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19449641 , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17598537).

    Ultimately, a 4 year field study found that thiamethoxam does not significantly affect bee colony survival (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24194871).

    Mostly laboratory studies - low-tier research - report that neonicotinoids are harmful, while field studies - superior research - find no harmful effect of neonics on bee health. "Many laboratory studies described lethal and sublethal effects of neonicotinoids on the foraging behavior, and learning and memory abilities of bees, while no effects were observed in field studies at field-realistic dosages" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3338325/).

    Basically, there's no evidence proving that neonics are killing the bees.

    Australia loves neonics, but they have not experienced honey bee losses (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3869053/). On the other hand, many honey bees died in France, despite French restrictions on imidacloprids (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3869053/).//
     
  14. Serana

    Serana Destroyer. Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2013
    Messages:
    6,640
    Likes Received:
    30,548
    Location:
    Char
    [YT]tmxfZGkfByE[/YT]
     
  15. KONG-D'SNT-TAP

    KONG-D'SNT-TAP Titanium Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    41,646
    Likes Received:
    38,546
    farmers have been getting handouts forever now..

    And lets be honest small local farmers who grow all natural produce don't get any handouts from the government..

    The handouts all go to cash crops like corn and such, nothing being subsidized is actually good to be ingested on a daily basis, like fruits and veggies...

    "Family Farms" are as corrupt as any other business.


    More BS propaganda..
     
  16. KONG-D'SNT-TAP

    KONG-D'SNT-TAP Titanium Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    41,646
    Likes Received:
    38,546
    and these companies are getting the biggest handout.. To the tune of multi billions.. Their lobbying groups are strong in the dark side of the force..

    Why subsidize broccoli and make it affordable when we can feed our public crap laden with corn syrup.
     
  17. Blackened

    Blackened It is a new era! Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2007
    Messages:
    12,028
    Likes Received:
    9,036
    Damned cigarettes. First they take mah papi, then my grand papi... now they takin' mah bees!
     
  18. Siderealmotion

    Siderealmotion R.I.P. Charles Brown

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,653
    Likes Received:
    48
    Get out of here with your facts! We have chemical companies and GMO's to blame for something!
     
  19. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    33,590
    Likes Received:
    16,379
    It doesn't happen here to the extent it happens in countries with varroa mites though.
    Also our bees are less inbred than Americans.
    Misuse of pesticides is unlikely to be widespread enough to be the cause anyway.
    I think they are looking at the interaction of fungicides, pesticides and parasites as the most probable cause.
     
  20. Siderealmotion

    Siderealmotion R.I.P. Charles Brown

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,653
    Likes Received:
    48
    Since CCD is still evident in Europe more than a year after the neonicotinoid ban went into effect, and Australian bees are thriving while neonicotinoid use is high, I think the link between the mites and CCD is pretty solid, even if the mites aren't the one and only cause.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.