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  1. Al Stone Banned Banned

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    Rogan has been the main mma analyst for as long as I can remember. He has been great for the company especially in its niche stage, and will still probably continue to do great things. However Rogan is not an elite level sportscaster. He is a UFC sportscaster that picked up knowledge of MMA techniques to enhance his performance. If he were more than that, then why is he not called on to talk about anything else but the UFC? Rogan is under a niche mentality where only aficionados should be able to give an opinion of what they saw. Hilariously he is a nonfighter himself who learned on the go.

    SAS is an elite level sportscaster and probably the most elite there is bar none. He brings entertainment and brutal honesty from his perspective. Fact: SAS has repeatedly said he calls on technical advice from the technical experts REPEATEDLY. He acknowledges and praises Rogan arguably more than he should. He is absolutely not niche. He is mainstream.

    The fans seem divided. SAS gave his color commentary. Instead of Rogan disagreeing on the spot he went on his show to attack credibility harshly. Even when asked for a respectable debate he cowered down and pretended he was to big to debate a man known for interviewing the biggest names in sports. Many niche supporters of the UFC will agree with his logic however it goes completely against what the UFC is striving for in being a mainstream sport.
     
  2. Zebra Cheeks 2 Cheeks And A Soda Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I think the opposite. At one time we were all casual fans. And I learned the sport by watching fights and listening to joe Rogan explain the positions and their technicalities. He gets frustrated when other casters misinform the listeners because he takes his job seriously. In my opinion joe is the most casual friendly caster there is.
     
  3. Al Stone Banned Banned

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    You do understand I said Rogan and his approach has a place? The fact is it isnt SAS saying Rogan has no place commenting on fights (let's be honest Rogan has said many things that would warrant that criticism). Its not as black and white as I like Rogan or dont. When you as a sportscaster have zero tolerance for perspectives other than yours because they arent the so called aficianado you view yourself you have no place on a mainstream network. Being a great sportscaster isnt all about being the most knowledgeable technician. For things to work you need both.
     
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    There are others who are more gung ho. I honestly think Rogan is the most accurate caster. He’s the voice of most knowledgeable fans. When Dom is explaining that Conor is taking shots from Khabib to gas himself I’m SCREAMING at the TV, and Joe is the guy that sets the record straight. He is challenged by the other casters, and that’s fine. Many times, he does acknowledge when they are correct. But he also won’t tolerate inaccuracies.
     
  5. Al Stone Banned Banned

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    There is zero inaccuracy that Cowboy looked like he didnt belong in there and seemed to fold like a cheap tent. Whether you think quit is to harsh is perspective. The reaction Rogan gave was based on fear in being obsolete to a more popular sportscaster. No other explanation when some fighters say the same and I guarantee he wont say they have no place discussing fighting.
     
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    Oh I didn’t realize you were talking specifically about that garbage drama. I don’t really care it’s all to get people talking. Plain and simple.
     
  7. Al Stone Banned Banned

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    It is the basis of what is going on. Rogan seems to not understand that when you sell your product to the mainstream you need voices the mainstream tunes in for. I like his technical banter but that will not cut it by itself in growing the ufc on the big stage
     
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    He’s creating sound bytes. You’re here talking about it so it’s working
     
  9. Al Stone Banned Banned

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    I enjoy his honesty but that's subjective. You cant possibly have listen all the way through the Ariel interview. The man has passion and is learning more about the sport as he goes. It's not just a soundbite but he does those quite well. The man is an elite level sports broadcaster PERIOD. He just acts up for entertainment
     
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    Cerrone and the MMA community's reaction to Stephen A's comments can be summed up with this clip.
     
  11. magicmarker Brown Belt

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    SAS is there to give his perspective on what he saw happen.

    Rogan is there to hype the UFC stars that they make money pushing.

    SAS has a legitimate opinion about what he saw but has less technical knowledge about it.

    Rogan has more technical knowledge about the sport but his opinions often fall into the category of being Dana’s shill puppet.

    They’re both right, in a sense; but they both come up short in a way.

    In the end I side with Stephen A because based on what we saw we didn’t really see Conor get tested enough to learn anything and that was his point. If Cerrone has a problem with SAS’s assessment of his performance then he has every right to say what Joe did, but my guess is he probably would agree with it.
     
  12. mkess101 Not the hero he deserves, but the hero he needs

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    A couple things:

    First, "mainstream" isn't as cut and dried as it once was. The way humans consume entertainment has obviously changed. I'm old, so yeah, I still tend toward the "old" ways but as time goes by, traditional ways of measuring "mainstream" become outdated. Rogan hosts arguably the most popular podcast in the world. I don't think that's so much "niche" at that point.

    Second, SAS is a terrific NBA sportscaster and analyst. But he has spread himself too thin and it leads to him trying to offer analysis of things he CLEARLY has paid absolutely no attention to. Last year he rambled on about a Chargers vs Chiefs NFL game and was talking about multiple players that weren't playing. One of whom (Hunter Henry) was on IR and had been all season!! He's done it with college football too (see his analysis of Dwayne Haskins).

    He knows the NBA. He knows it REALLY well (I follow the NBA and I think he's the best there is when it comes to knowing the ins and outs of the league). But he just doesn't have the knowledge base to comment on a lot of things that he's been tasked by the network to comment on. And of course they are paying him a fortune so they want to get as much as they can for that $, but it's just embarrassing when he's completely crapping the bed in talking about certain things.
     
  13. Al Stone Banned Banned

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    Fact: he didn't crap the bed as his opinion has been echoed by many fans and even fighters before or after the fight. You have your own bias to make you believe so but if Rogan didnt go on his podcast complaining we wouldnt be having many gripes.
     
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    To late going to bed and misread your post initially due to being tired. Stephen A said what I thought and his analysis was pretty spot on and I'm a 20 year fan so the whole he doesnt know what he is talking about and shit the bed thing is simply not true. You just dont agree with what he said
     
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    I will say this as I do respect your response. To many people confuse a perspective different than their own or a polarizing opinion as "doesnt know what he's talking about. MMA elitism of the old school niche crowd only translates comfortably in a mainstream market through having a balanced approach. Stephen brought balance for me on that shitty night
     
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    What in the hell are you on about? He doesn't need to be an elite level sportscaster for anything but MMA, as his job doesn't require it. SAS's job requires him to cover many sports. Joe's problem with guys like SAS is that they are on such an enormous mainstream broadcast platform, and are speaking to the masses - with conviction - about something they themselves don't really understand. That can cause confusion for viewers that are under the impression that they are receiving educated information on the subject, due to the stature of the platform.

    Joe didn't pick up techniques to enhance his commentating. He started doing karate and taekwondo in his mid teens and won the US Open Championship taekwondo tournament when he was 19, won state championships 4 consecutive times and became a taekwondo instructor. He competed in amatuer kickboxing, training KB and Muay Thai under Rob Kaman, whom is the reason Joe is so obsessed with leg kicks. He started training BJJ in 1994 (3 years before he was hired by UFC), and is a black belt.

    38 years of martial arts training, earning multiple black belts and championships along the way, isn't exactly learning on the go.

    How ironic, too, that you just did exactly what the SAS's of the sports world are doing, in an attempt to defend them.
     
  17. sabretitan Red Belt

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    What I don't like are absolute shills and sellouts and ass kissers. Areil Helwani.. anyone else hear his interview with SAS ?
     
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    Watched this live. When Larry put his hand on Floyd's shoulder, I really thought for a second he might get hit. Either way, Larry gave no fucks that night.
     
  19. mkess101 Not the hero he deserves, but the hero he needs

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    SAS has shown EXTREMELY limited knowledge of combat sports in general. I wasn't specifically commenting on his view of Conor vs Cowboy.
     
  20. Andre Xiong Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless r professionally hired trolls

    they’re supposed to spew liquid crap as their style

    I’m not saying Rogan is correct I’m just saying SAS landed a great career as a pro troll he’s never played a sport at a high level but he gets to say “preposterous” things about them along with other analysts and pro athletes for the sake of debate and discussion
     

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