Ngannou won’t lose again until someone with a Diamond tier chin fights him

[Brady2Moss2007]

Ngannou doesn't have the ground game or grappling ability to stuff takdowns. Stipe hasn't fought in forever. Not sure how he would in a trilogy. Ngannou hasn't really improved that much. He's still a one dimensional fighter that's just really bulky.

This is the issue with the HW division. There aren't enough grapplers or wrestlers to give Ngannou a challenge on the ground.

 

[Sanserif]

Ngannou doesn't have the ground game or grappling ability to stuff takdowns. Stipe hasn't fought in forever. Not sure how he would in a trilogy. Ngannou hasn't really improved that much. He's still a one dimensional fighter that's just really bulky.

This is the issue with the HW division. There aren't enough grapplers or wrestlers to give Ngannou a challenge on the ground.

Miocic was a NCAA division I Wrestler. He also fought ngannou only 7 months after beating cormier - who was by.the way a former Olympic Wrestler- in convincing fashion. Reports of his deterioration were inflated to take the shine off ngannou's win.

Other than miocic, there was Curtis blaydes who was a talented Wrestler whom ngannou knocked out twice (the second time much faster) and cain velasquez who was felled in the first round trying to go for a takedown.

 

[Sanserif]

Sure buddy.

I'm serious...can u think of another example of his ko where he knocked out someone else like the way he ko rozenstruik ?

This strange myth that ngannou has become ufc champion by swinging for the fences like some kind of untrained bar brawler and that he is merely succeeding because of an almost superhuman level of strjking power, has somehow stuck into the sherdog consciousness even though the evidence of the tape of his ko's reveals a superb sense of timing and the ability to use his reach and precision and cleanness in his punching technique.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

Miocic neutralised ngannou in their first fight by taking him down repeatedly and keeping him down and hitting him while he was on the ground. It was not through fatigue that caused miiocic not to ko him but because even though ngannou was tired out from being outwrestled he didn't dare to engage him in the pocket at any point because ngannou retained fight ending power at all times. It is also necessary to point out that nganou never stopped trying to fight off the ground game to the end of the fight though he was tired so the heart is not in question either.

Gane would be literally taking his life in his hands if he were try to trade with ngannou even in the 5th round. His best strategy is to use his evasiveness and quickness and stay away from ngannou and never enter the pocket and target the lead leg with calf kicks. Take pot shots at him throughout the fight and outwork him but never let him corner him. Don't try to take him down because gane isn't good enough at that game with ngannou's improved tdd.

You obviously have not watched Miocic/Ngannou I since it first happened because what you are saying is objectively not what happened.

Ngannou was fatigued due to his explosive first round and could not defend himself whatsoever after the end of the second round; hence why he only registered two significants strikes over the last three rounds of the fight.

Thats the worst output over three consecutive completed rounds in UFC history. Ngannou does not "retain fight ending power at all times". He was not even defending himself the last three rounds of Miocic/Ngannou I, he was surviving and barely, due to the extreme fatigue of Stipe.

If Ngannou does not KO Gane in the first 7-8 minutes of the fight, then Gane will put him out shortly thereafter.

 

[hohner]

Tuivasa is essentially already HW champ.

 

[SithJiuJitsu]

Theoretically, could a no weight cut Adesanya, fight Ngannou in kickboxing and survive, possibly win? Could he hurt Ngannou? I feel Francis is not only large and strong, but his arms look wide as hell and his punches are thrown from odd angles that seem to usually knock people off balance, as if it shifts their whole body weight into a different direction, shit is brutal.

 

[Brady2Moss2007]

He’s not the same fighter as in the first Stipe fight. That won’t work.

DC broke him?

 

[Phisher]

Unsure why you categorically dismiss the notion that Gane would be able to out point him whilst avoiding the KO. I guess the Lewis fight will prove pretty much if he is capable or not.

Maybe he saw Gane get hit with clean head shots by Volkov, Boser and old man JDS?

 

[TriangleMonkey]

This is an absolute shit take but Lewis doesn’t have the chin required to brawl with him
nether does Gane. Now he has enough wrestling under his belt to have above average TDD, the only option is to stand toe to toe with him and either be slick enough to outpost him(heavy doubt) or force him to respect you and have a chin good enough to make him pay for everything he throws.

Not MMA but until someone replicates the Holyfield formula, Mr.Ngannou won’t be beaten again. With HW looking so terrible, it won’t be popular but trying to outpoint him will only get him walked down and KO’d.

/thread

Came to thread just to say what a great entry A+

 

[The Schmoop]

Or Stipe when he figures out losing 30 lbs isn’t a good idea for a grappling heavy gameplan against Francis.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

This is an absolute shit take but Lewis doesn’t have the chin required to brawl with him
nether does Gane. Now he has enough wrestling under his belt to have above average TDD, the only option is to stand toe to toe with him and either be slick enough to outpost him(heavy doubt) or force him to respect you and have a chin good enough to make him pay for everything he throws.

Not MMA but until someone replicates the Holyfield formula, Mr.Ngannou won’t be beaten again. With HW looking so terrible, it won’t be popular but trying to outpoint him will only get him walked down and KO’d.

Mmyap...

I wonder whats gunna happen to all these Ngannou fans when lewis becomes undisputed champion...


But but muscles...

But but ford escort power...

But but but he has patience now ...

Derrick lewis can beat Gane and Ngannou as they both like to strike first in there gameplans and Lewis has shown time and time again if you stay standing with him long enough he'll put you out...he was about to lose a decision to Volkov before he knock him dead in the last round..ngannou hasnt finished anyone or even fought that much outside of two rounds...something to consider

Me personally im gunna laugh and love having Lewis as champion

 

[asdf122345]

You obviously have not watched Miocic/Ngannou I since it first happened because what you are saying is objectively not what happened.

Ngannou was fatigued due to his explosive first round and could not defend himself whatsoever after the end of the second round; hence why he only registered two significants strikes over the last three rounds of the fight.

Thats the worst output over three consecutive completed rounds in UFC history. Ngannou does not "retain fight ending power at all times". He was not even defending himself the last three rounds of Miocic/Ngannou I, he was surviving and barely, due to the extreme fatigue of Stipe.

If Ngannou does not KO Gane in the first 7-8 minutes of the fight, then Gane will put him out shortly thereafter.

I feel like Gane will become champion. I agree.

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

Look at these fucking idiots typing out full paragraph arguments when you’ve got a legend like kyochi in this thread

I went through all his posts, and every picture is a average 8/10, which is incredible. The only thing more incredible is having an account since 2010, but his first posts were a decade later. He definitely is a legend in the making.

Also funny seeing just how god damned many people get banned on this forum.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Only 2 fighters are undefeated against the best in the world. One is Khabib Nurmagomedov. The other is Father Time. Ngannou will never fight Khabib, but I expect Father Time to win by TKO (retirement) within 5 years

 

[Deadwing88]

For those who are saying Ngannou is susceptible to takedowns.. did i hallucinate Francis stuffing Stipe's takedown attempt in the second fight with ease, sprawled and began to land bombs..

 

[Sanserif]

You obviously have not watched Miocic/Ngannou I since it first happened because what you are saying is objectively not what happened.

Ngannou was fatigued due to his explosive first round and could not defend himself whatsoever after the end of the second round; hence why he only registered two significants strikes over the last three rounds of the fight.

Thats the worst output over three consecutive completed rounds in UFC history. Ngannou does not "retain fight ending power at all times". He was not even defending himself the last three rounds of Miocic/Ngannou I, he was surviving and barely, due to the extreme fatigue of Stipe.

If Ngannou does not KO Gane in the first 7-8 minutes of the fight, then Gane will put him out shortly thereafter.

Mioicic however was mainly relying on his ground game and even In the last few rounds it is true that he didn't trade with nfannou. U blame it on miocic being too tired but I think it was rather that his game plan involved never putting himself in the position where ngannou could successfully connect with a power shot.

As such his first round especially involved baiting and drawing ngannou to try to take his head off with power shots. But ngannoubwas overly eager and his punches were telegraphed and so miocic easily skipped them and allowed ngannou to tire himself out and he also took him down very easily precisely due to ngannou trying to knock him out with one punch and a sa result he overextended and made it easy to be single or double legged.


In their second fight ngannou totally changed his game plan and was much more deliberate and didn't throw fully committed punches but stalked miocic and cut off the ring effectively. As a result of that and his own greate removals on stamina building in his training, he was not tired out s the end of the first round and managed to connect damagingly several times on miociv while easily stuffing his takedown due to improved wrestling and precisely due to him not over extending himself while punching.

 

[johny ringo]

I am living life believing every picture of Rogan on Sherdog is 100% genuine and not a shoop.