new ufc drug czar to personally tail fighters

[dim_]

What happens if they want to test you while you're at work, and your real job doesn't want them on their property because you are being paid to do their work, not pee in someone else's cup?

Well the simple solution is dont put your 1 hour window and location as while you are at work :S

You're missing the point. It's not the inconvenience of having to track your whereabouts, its the invasion of privacy and being treated like a criminal under house arrest that is messed up.

Invasion of privacy? saying where you will be sleeping, and where you will be for ONE HOUR a day so that testers can locate you to perform anti doping?

You give away more information using an atm, a loyalty card, or buying a tv online.

 

[dim_]

It takes almost no time to do, and I highly doubt they have people doing it for them. Would you put your Olympic career on the line because you couldn't take 15 minutes to fill it out?

Some do. Mark Cavendish (Cyclist) had a PA doing it. Pa forgot to update it one time, tester showed up, Cavendish not there, missed test on his record. Needless to say, PA fired and Mark (well Peta) now does his whereabouts.

Most athletes will do their own whereabouts. Too risky leaving someone else in charge, and it takes longer to phone them up and say "can you update my wherabouts" and then phone them back saying "did you remmber to update my wherabouts" than it does to actually log on the app yourself and just change it yourself

 

[hardcoreBE]

It's funny, a couple of months ago most of you where all going on about PED's in the UFC, that the commision is laughable, UFC doesn't do anything blahblahbla..

And now they are doing the right thing. This is how it works Olympic athletes, other major sport organisations. But again it's not good, now it's an invasion of privacy. No it's not. Hell, even top athletes here in Belgium need to fill in there whereabouts. And most of you guys probably don't even know where Belgium is. It's a very common thing to do as an athlete.

 

[dim_]

And now they are doing the right thing. This is how it works Olympic athletes, other major sport organisations. But again it's not good, now it's an invasion of privacy. No it's not. Hell, even top athletes here in Belgium need to fill in there whereabouts. And most of you guys probably don't even know where Belgium is.

The fact you are in Belgium, Im in Britain, and a lot of the posters who are in favor of the whereabouts programs are either Europeans, or Americans with knowledge of/involvement in, Olympic Sports says a lot.

The Americans (Who on the whole seem to be the ones with issues about this) seem to be struggling with it on various levels. Firstly, its the first American sport to have this sort of program. They think the sporting world is restricted to NFL, NBA, MLB etc and that this sort of thing doesnt happen there.

They also seem to have this weird notion in their head that Government, Bill of Rights, Civil Rights, Constitution, etc all have some sort of involvement in this, they dont.

Outside of the US, anti doping, whereabouts reporting, is all just an everyday thing for most athletes. Need to get with the program

 

[Strikes Again]

This is insane.

 

[Cro Cop Is Back]

Lol. Tell us where you are, 365 days a year. Every three months, fill out this form saying exactly what you will do every day. Oh and by the way, here is $2,500 for your total sponsorship money.

World fucking domination....

 

[Toad Frogan]

Lol. Tell us where you are, 365 days a year. Every three months, fill out this form saying exactly what you will do every day. Oh and by the way, here is $2,500 for your total sponsorship money.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool :icon_chee

 

[Killswitch91]

"Make sure to grab me a mint chocolate chip ya fuckin goof"

Fixed.

 

[Toad Frogan]

Novitzky kinda looks like an alien.

Imagine him tailing GSP.

 

[tenniswhiz]

I'd give the cell phone with the app to my well-behaved wife/friend/sister/mother, and have another cell phone which I would take with me when going to visit the Roiding Clinic.

 

[dim_]

I'd give the cell phone with the app to my well-behaved wife/friend/sister/mother, and have another cell phone which I would take with me when going to visit the Roiding Clinic.

You know the app is purely for submitting information. It doesnt track you or anything

 

[dim_]

The UFC wherabouts regulations are actually looser than other sports. Theres no 1 hour window

other sports:
overnight location
usual place of training/work
1 hour guaranteed location

UFC:
overnight location
usual place of training/work

 

[Jackonflame]

The UFC wherabouts regulations are actually looser than other sports. Theres no 1 hour window

other sports:
overnight location
usual place of training/work
1 hour guaranteed location

Spoiler

UFC:
overnight location
usual place of training/work

Spoiler

So if you don't have a fight scheduled for the quarter then you don't need to submit your info? I'd say the vast majority of fighters don't fight 1x every 3 months.

 

[tenniswhiz]

You know the app is purely for submitting information. It doesnt track you or anything

You sure? They could track the person if they wanted to.

And what's the point if they're not tracking? They don't have the manpower to keep track of hundreds of fighters in a few dozen cities in 10 different countries.
Seriously, if it's not parole officer level work, then why bother doing it? There is plenty of room for a fighter to sneak around and do what they want, no matter what information they submit.

 

[Ragnarocker]

Invasion of privacy? saying where you will be sleeping, and where you will be for ONE HOUR a day so that testers can locate you to perform anti doping?

You give away more information using an atm, a loyalty card, or buying a tv online.

What if you're sleeping around on your wife and the UFC knows the address where you spend your nights isn't your home address or anyone legit? Then they have that to hang over your head as if they don't already control too much of your life with likeness rights, exclusive contracts, sponsorship potential, etc.

Those other things are one-off occurrences which might let a company locate you at a particular time and date, unless they can establish a pattern like how often you visit a particular ATM. The UFC will know where you are every night, pretty much every hour. World of difference.

 

[dim_]

So if you don't have a fight scheduled for the quarter then you don't need to submit your info? I'd say the vast majority of fighters don't fight 1x every 3 months.

Yes, you still need to submit info.

For every day of the three months they need

1) overnight location, where you will be sleeping
2) regular training location and usual times you are there
3) any other regular places, work etc and times you are there

Overnight location could include hotels etc if you have a fight booked, holidays etc, just as daytime locations could be a gymn away from home if you are fighting.

Most athletes will just put home address and home gymn for the entire three months.

Then will update with changes via the app. You can update and change location as long as you do it in advance. So if you have a fight on SAturday, are travelling there on say, Monday, then all you do is logon the app on sunday evening with your hotel details and other details for the week

You sure? They could track the person if they wanted to.

And what's the point if they're not tracking? They don't have the manpower to keep track of hundreds of fighters in a few dozen cities in 10 different countries.
Seriously, if it's not parole officer level work, then why bother doing it? There is plenty of room for a fighter to sneak around and do what they want, no matter what information they submit.

No, they dont track using GPS in the App.

Anti doping visits have to be planned in advance, schedules worked out because of things like transportation of samples, keeping them chilled etc. They havnt got time to go chasing an athlete around on a map.

There is a GPS function in the app, but its purely for adding new addresses. So for instance, if you go to a hotel and will be there overnight for the next six nights you can hit the gps button to enter it as opposed to having to type the location in.


Some athletes have suggested it, but a tester needs to be able to plan his schedule. Not chase a dot around on a map only to discover the athlete lent their phone to a friend, left their phone at home etc. GPS doesnt track the "athlete location" it only tracks the "phone location". There would also be the legal issue of athlete could just say they left their phone at the gymn, or left it at home etc.

 

[flanellograf]

That's some fucked up Orwellian shit right there

Funny how people call for stricter drug testing, and then when it comes, we hear this.

 

[dim_]

What if you're sleeping around on your wife and the UFC knows the address where you spend your nights isn't your home address or anyone legit? Then they have that to hang over your head as if they don't already control too much of your life with likeness rights, exclusive contracts, sponsorship potential, etc.

Those other things are one-off occurrences which might let a company locate you at a particular time and date, unless they can establish a pattern like how often you visit a particular ATM. The UFC will know where you are every night, pretty much every hour. World of difference.

Except the UFC dont actually have access to that information.

The UFC will have access to athletes test results, and possibly their bio passport information. Whereabouts information is shared with USADA and Collection Agencies. Not UFC

And besides, if you are sleeping around on your wife perhaps a sport in the public eye isnt the job for you

 

[flanellograf]

What if you're sleeping around on your wife and the UFC knows the address where you spend your nights isn't your home address or anyone legit? Then they have that to hang over your head as if they don't already control too much of your life with likeness rights, exclusive contracts, sponsorship potential, etc.

Those other things are one-off occurrences which might let a company locate you at a particular time and date, unless they can establish a pattern like how often you visit a particular ATM. The UFC will know where you are every night, pretty much every hour. World of difference.

The tinfoil is strong. The UFC doesn't handle the testing. USADA does. And they are not going to risk their legitimacy by leaking some TMZ shit to the UFC.

 

[Ragnarocker]

The fact you are in Belgium, Im in Britain, and a lot of the posters who are in favor of the whereabouts programs are either Europeans, or Americans with knowledge of/involvement in, Olympic Sports says a lot.

The Americans (Who on the whole seem to be the ones with issues about this) seem to be struggling with it on various levels. Firstly, its the first American sport to have this sort of program. They think the sporting world is restricted to NFL, NBA, MLB etc and that this sort of thing doesnt happen there.

They also seem to have this weird notion in their head that Government, Bill of Rights, Civil Rights, Constitution, etc all have some sort of involvement in this, they dont.

Outside of the US, anti doping, whereabouts reporting, is all just an everyday thing for most athletes. Need to get with the program

We Americans have a Constitution which protects us from the very issues for which we left Europe in the first place and a 2nd Amendment which protects our right to carry assault weapons. Privacy is more important to us, so it's hard to accept a program that requires you to give your whereabouts and basically any freedom of movement.