New Stealth Tanker Model Is Touted By Air Force Research Lab At Aviation Conference

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The need for more survivable tankers is becoming a pressing issue in the dawning age of anti-access and area-denial warfare. America has built the backbone of its air combat force around fuel-thirsty fighters that are addicted to tanker gas. In potential future conflicts, having existing airliner-based tankers approach within 500 or so miles of enemy targets will likely entail immense risk. Outfitting tankers with situational awareness-enhancing avionics and sensors, electronic warfare systems, and even kinetic-kill defensive systems and high-power lasers are ways to approach this problem. But shooting down incoming missiles as they approach with exotic close-in defenses or avoiding enemy threats altogether by running from them are hardly attractive solutions to this problem.

Another more robust way is to field a stealthy tanker that can move far closer to target sets with 5th generation fighters and stealthy drones in tow. Such an aircraft could also benefit from the aforementioned systems as well, including kinetic-kill interceptors, making it even more survivable. You are unlikely to find a more thorough case for fielding such an aircraft than the one we published in 2017, which you can read here. Fast forward to over a year later and now the Air Force Research Lab is showing off a model of a somewhat familiar stealthy tanker-transport design without any real explanation.
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The model, which looks like a variation of Lockheed's 'Speed Agile' concept, titled "Advanced Aerial Refueling" was noticed by Aviation Week's Guy Norris in the Air Force Research Lab's area at the 2018 AIAA Aviation forum that took place in Atlanta this week. According to Guy, this model also included a flying-wing UCAV being refueled off its boom.
A year ago, another stealthy tanker-transport model was displayed by Lockheed at a similar trade show and forum. Clearly, models don't necessarily mean anything definitive, but the appearance of this model now does point to an ongoing interest in the stealth tanker concept if not some kind of program to develop one.

By 2009, the Air Force’s commando headquarters had started looking at acquiring a stealthy transport plane to make infiltrating hostile areas a safer proposition. Dubbed “Project IX,” the proposed plane would have filled multiple “gaps and shortfalls” in existing aircraft such as the Combat Talon, according to the Air Force.

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While the flying branch didn’t have a specific design in mind, it did have very clear requirements for what would be a brand-new plane. The aircraft’s primary missions would be sneaking commandos into defended territory, bringing them supplies if necessary and then getting them out safely — just like the MC-130H does.

Crews would be able to do so regardless of the time of day, the temperature or the weather. The plane would even function under chemical, biological or nuclear attack.

Most importantly, the new plane would take advantage of “low-observable” technology — in other words, it would be stealthy. A radar-evading shape would be central to the design. Like the Air Force’s upcoming B-21 bomber, the project would require the utmost secrecy.

“There are lessons learned and precedents for such responsibility regarding other specialized aircraft (F-117, B-2, F-22, etc.),” the report explains. “Project IX will take full advantage of them.”
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Not surprisingly, the aircraft would get top-of-the-line communications equipment, powerful radars and video cameras and other special gear. The proposed crew of three — pilot, co-pilot and loadmaster — might grow in order to fly spy missions.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...air-force-research-lab-at-aviation-conference


Really cool, i dont know why we didnt do this instead of the current tanker considering how shitty that program has been. Also A stealth troop transport for Spec-op is actually a cool idea
 
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...air-force-research-lab-at-aviation-conference


Really cool, i dont know why we didnt do this instead of the current tanker considering how shitty that program has been. Also A stealth troop transport for Spec-op is actually a cool idea
The KC-46 makes perfect sense for what it was originally commissioned for. The KC-135 fleet is aging, and no one really knows how long those airframes will continue to last before cracks are observed. They needed replacements, and the 767 is a solid platform to choose, and since the tankers are arguably the most important aircraft in the inventory (I’m a tad biased) they needed a solid replacement in the pipeline so there wouldn’t be a delay in service. The issue is that they couldn’t just slap the old 135 booms on it and call it a day, making it at most a two year project. They tried to do the remote booms for god knows what reason, and then all the laser stuff on top of it. What should’ve been the easiest project in history was turned into a complete cluster. At least the Pegasus is joining the fleet later this year.
 
never should have cancelled the a330 mrtt procurement imo
 
The KC-46 makes perfect sense for what it was originally commissioned for. The KC-135 fleet is aging, and no one really knows how long those airframes will continue to last before cracks are observed. They needed replacements, and the 767 is a solid platform to choose, and since the tankers are arguably the most important aircraft in the inventory (I’m a tad biased) they needed a solid replacement in the pipeline so there wouldn’t be a delay in service. The issue is that they couldn’t just slap the old 135 booms on it and call it a day, making it at most a two year project. They tried to do the remote booms for god knows what reason, and then all the laser stuff on top of it. What should’ve been the easiest project in history was turned into a complete cluster. At least the Pegasus is joining the fleet later this year.


i agree, doesnt the P8 use that frame?
 
Yup, sure does!


Yeah, very good platform. However i think a stealth tanker is a good idea as well, especially with outset of stealth aircraft. Also a stealth transport for deploying spec-ops teams isnt such a bad idea.
 
Yeah, very good platform. However i think a stealth tanker is a good idea as well, especially with outset of stealth aircraft. Also a stealth transport for deploying spec-ops teams isnt such a bad idea.
No question, being able to provide fueling for spec ops or a long range strike, the entire way, with minimal threat from SAMs, is the dream. The problem is that the stealth tanker is bare minimum a decade away. The Pegasus was a nice bridge from the 135s to the stealth tankers, but it should’ve been much simpler than they made it.
 
Another tech the Chinese will try to steal like those Hydro phon
 
Another tech the Chinese will try to steal like those Hydro phon
Funny enough, the "stealth" tanker is motivated by introduction of low observable fighter jets from China and Russia. They could slip through the radar coverage gaps and target tankers and AEW aircraft behind the American jets. Larger aircraft based on civilian airliner design do have have the speed to escape to safety against these threats.
 
Hopefully it's another trillion dollar airplane to trickle money down to the defense contractors because they deserve it.
 
Yep its better to invest military development into Flying Submarines

Given some of their crazier designs towards the end of WWII, I wouldn't doubt this idea was tossed around by German high command.
 
Funny enough, the "stealth" tanker is motivated by introduction of low observable fighter jets from China and Russia. They could slip through the radar coverage gaps and target tankers and AEW aircraft behind the American jets. Larger aircraft based on civilian airliner design do have have the speed to escape to safety against these threats.


which the J-20 is not even remotely stealth in any way shape or form an was detected by a Indian Su-30
 
No question, being able to provide fueling for spec ops or a long range strike, the entire way, with minimal threat from SAMs, is the dream. The problem is that the stealth tanker is bare minimum a decade away. The Pegasus was a nice bridge from the 135s to the stealth tankers, but it should’ve been much simpler than they made it.

they had this Stealth tanker and transport in wind tunnel testing about 10 or 12 years ago. So at the very least this project may be a black program now.
 
which the J-20 is not even remotely stealth in any way shape or form an was detected by a Indian Su-30
See below for what probably transpired. USAF regularly install corner reflectors on its F-22, even flying in airspace near friendly nations to avoid giving away its true RCS. You don't spend years designing an aircraft with planform alignment and angular surfaces to be easily spotted. It is known that China obtained large amount of information on F-35 and B-2 through hacking and physical espionage. They're bound to have a good understanding about low observable designs.
"Also, it is possible that the Chinese are flying the J-20 with radar reflectors attached to enlarge and conceal its true radar cross section during peacetime operations — just as the USAF routinely does with the F-22 and F-35," said Bronk. For safety and training purposes, stealth aircraft often fly with markers that destroy their stealth during peacetime maneuvers. If this is the case with the J-20s, then India may be in for an unpleasant surprise next time it tries to track the supposedly stealth jets
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-j-20-stealth-jet-spotted-by-india-air-force-su-30mki-2018-5

A more thorough analysis of its capabilities from Center for Strategic and International Studies:
https://chinapower.csis.org/china-chengdu-j-20/
 
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they had this Stealth tanker and transport in wind tunnel testing about 10 or 12 years ago. So at the very least this project may be a black program now.
That certainly could be, although last I heard the Spec Ops Air Refueling was still being done by receiver capable 135s out of McConnell
 
See below for what probably transpired. USAF regularly install corner reflectors on its F-22, even flying in airspace near friendly nations to avoid giving away its true RCS. You don't spend years designing an aircraft with planform alignment and angular surfaces to be easily spotted. It is known that China obtained large amount of information on F-35 and B-2 through hacking and physical espionage. They're bound to have a good understanding about low observable designs.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-j-20-stealth-jet-spotted-by-india-air-force-su-30mki-2018-5

A more thorough analysis of its capabilities from Center for Strategic and International Studies:
https://chinapower.csis.org/china-chengdu-j-20/

i dont think its much to worry about....YET.


though, i guess this is why we are speeding up development of the 6th gen fighter and the naval long range fighter. Fucking assholes getting rid of the F14 really hurt the carrier fleet defense.
 
i dont think its much to worry about....YET.


though, i guess this is why we are speeding up development of the 6th gen fighter and the naval long range fighter. Fucking assholes getting rid of the F14 really hurt the carrier fleet defense.
Even in its current form with under-powered engines, it's still substantially more capable than anything operated by Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. That is why F-35 export is so important to give capability boost to Asian allies.

And it’s likely the most capable aircraft deployed by any nation in the region — giving it a significant edge over the Japanese, Korean and Indian air forces.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...d/news-story/88a65a9e151f26825eb472a6fad753d3

A 2015 report by the Rand Corporation noted that the “J-20’s combination of forward stealth and long range could hold U.S. Navy surface assets at risk, and that a long-range maritime strike capability may be a cause for greater concern than a short-range air-superiority fighter like the F-22.”
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...alth-fighter-training-fight-the-us-navy-25807
 
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