New Peterson video-The Architecture of Belief | Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux

Halfway through this talk and it's excellent as usual.
 
I like listening to both guys though I disagree with molyneaux on subjects, he is good at articulating his points

Will watch later
 
"Sam Harris and Dawkins are like 13 year olds in there understanding of Christianity" or something like that. His disciples same. Stand by for exhibit A. ;)
 
That was excellent.

I was glad to hear a little more of Peterson's background - including his political involvement with the NDP at one point. That was surprising and interesting.

I think Stefan handled himself well, and even demonstrated a fairly high level of understanding.

I think I heard a few things I disagree with Jordan - regarding the Cain and Abel story and then again the sermon on the mount. But it's to be expected, and I'm sure I have many miles more to go than he in understanding the aforementioned.

Great conversation though, thanks for posting it.
 
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It was pretty funny listening to Peterson try to weave his way into a highly intellectualized version of alt facts a couple weeks back. I'm sure he's much more at home sharing ideas with somebody like Molyneux than somebody like Harris.
 
Oh my. I like Peterson, interesting guy, but Molyneux is a creepy, dishonest, and repulsive individual so I don't think I can't tolerate listening to that cunt for an hour and a half even if he is in conversation with Peterson. That time would probably be better spent reading Peterson's book Maps of Meaning.
Fawlty said:
It was pretty funny listening to Peterson try to weave his way into a highly intellectualized version of alt facts a couple weeks back. I'm sure he's much more at home sharing ideas with somebody like Molyneux than somebody like Harris.
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I never listened to that podcast, heard it was shit. Harris is a bit full of himself, he's just got to make his own opinion known in every single podcast he has instead of letting his guest elaborate. In that sense despite being far less intelligent Joe Rogan is actually a far better podcast host.
 
Kafir-kun said:
I never listened to that podcast, heard it was shit. Harris is a bit full of himself, he's just got to make his own opinion known in every single podcast he has instead of letting his guest elaborate. In that sense despite being far less intelligent Joe Rogan is actually a far better podcast host.
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Disagree on the bit about Harris being full of himself in that exchange- Harris really held him to the fire. It was very painful to listen to though, you're right that it made for a terrible podcast. That discussion should have been held privately with them summing it up later. I wouldn't wade back into that one unless I was stoned while drinking coffee.
 
Fawlty said:
Disagree on the bit about Harris being full of himself in that exchange- Harris really held him to the fire. It was very painful to listen to though, you're right that it made for a terrible podcast. That discussion should have been held privately with them summing it up later. I wouldn't wade back into that one unless I was stoned while drinking coffee.
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Like I said I didn't listen to that podcast in particular, I just notice the guy very much knows he has a persona and he protects it and it effects his podcasts. He tried to extend as many olive branches as possible to Maryam Namazie, probably because she's an atheist from Iran and a critic of Islam in general and figured they were "on the same side"

In the case of Shadi Hamid, instead of really parsing out the interesting parts of his book he just focused on the few parts that vindicated some of his positions and spent the rest of podcast just reiterating his previous anti-Islam arguments, as if the world hasn't heard them a 1000x before. Having actually read Hamid's book I can tell you that podcast was pretty shit at actually teasing out the interesting parts of his book.
 
Pwent said:
I like listening to both guys though I disagree with molyneaux on subjects, he is good at articulating his points
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Molyneux has really exposed himself as an intellectually dishonest fraud in his fairly recent shift towards becoming an apologist for Christian conservatism and, as bad or worse, Donald Trump.

All because he knows a large percentage of his listenership is made up of alt-right kids who adore the Donald.

So the web king of anarcho-capitalism embraces an authoritarian strong-man. For the dollars. Nice.
 
ultramanhyata said:
Molyneux has really exposed himself as an intellectually dishonest fraud in his fairly recent shift towards becoming an apologist for Christian conservatism and, as bad or worse, Donald Trump.

All because he knows a large percentage of his listenership is made up of alt-right kids who adore the Donald.

So the web king of anarcho-capitalism embraces an authoritarian strong-man. For the dollars. Nice.
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The guy has no intellectual honesty, his "The Truth about..." videos frequently include distortions and lies. He's also a hypocrite. Dude basically had his wife cut herself off from her family but when they send her money he gladly takes it. Complete scum.
 
Kafir-kun said:
The guy has no intellectual honesty, his "The Truth about..." videos frequently include distortions and lies. He's also a hypocrite. Dude basically had his wife cut herself off from her family but when they send her money he gladly takes it. Complete scum.
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Interesting, seems to come across a bit odd but didn't realize some of these issues. Is this common knowledge out there on forums or something?
 
unimackpass said:
Interesting, seems to come across a bit odd but didn't realize some of these issues. Is this common knowledge out there on forums or something?
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Well, yes and no. He's a right wing guy so right wing echo chambers love him while leftists intensely dislike him and try to expose his lies. Here's two examples



Those are long videos so I don't necessarily expect you to watch them entirely. The first one is better IMO, the YTer really goes into the sources and shows how he abuses them to fit his ideological narrative
 
Good Peterson talk, as usual.
 
Kafir-kun said:
Well, yes and no. He's a right wing guy so right wing echo chambers love him while leftists intensely dislike him and try to expose his lies. Here's two examples



Those are long videos so I don't necessarily expect you to watch them entirely. The first one is better IMO, the YTer really goes into the sources and shows how he abuses them to fit his ideological narrative
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You're proposing that I do a lot homework to get to the bottom of this. I would need to watch the original video and the video you posted to get a clear idea of what you mean.

I like Molyneux, in general. I think he's interesting and knowledgeable, despite him being smug. I agree with him on many things, and I disagree with him on many things, namely, his stance on welfare and capitalism, but you seem to disagree with him on a much more visceral level. Can you briefly explain what your main points of disagreement with him are, you've got me curious?

I seem to always mention this when I talk about SM, but have you seen the podcast he did with Peter Joseph? I think you'll enjoy it.
 
dontsnitch said:
You're proposing that I do a lot homework to get to the bottom of this. I would need to watch the original video and the video you posted to get a clear idea of what you mean.

I like Molyneux, in general. I think he's interesting and knowledgeable, despite him being smug. I agree with him on many things, and I disagree with him on many things, namely, his stance on welfare and capitalism, but you seem to disagree with him on a much more visceral level. Can you briefly explain what your main points of disagreement with him are, you've got me curious?

I seem to always mention this when I talk about SM, but have you seen the podcast he did with Peter Joseph? I think you'll enjoy it.
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As I said before, I see him as dishonest and creepy. When it comes to dishonesty those videos are a good example. He misuses sources and patches them together misleadingly to create an ideological narrative that supports his anarcho-capitalist ideas.

As far as him being creepy, he's basically a wannabe cult leader. He believes most parenting is actually child abuse and that people should deFOO, or cut themselves off from their Families of Origin to be truly free. And this is what he encourages his community to do. Its a textbook sign of a cult really and his wife was even found guilty of misconduct by the College of Psychologists of Ontario for this kind of stuff.

He's basically using his libertarian philosophy as a cover to get people to deFOO
 
I simply have to marvel the amount of projection I see on this thread alone.

The reasons folks here attack Molyneux are simple: he is an upfront advocate for civilization who lives as he teaches and both the libtards and leftists hate him for succeeding in it.

I don't agree with him on God or the marvels of voluntarism, but I admire his willingness to face facts when presented with them.
 
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