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He then loses and says man we need 165 pounds. I just can't win at 155 or 170 lolLol that’s exactly what Fighter Kevin Lee would say
“it makes sense, I see holes in his game” haha
He then loses and says man we need 165 pounds. I just can't win at 155 or 170 lolLol that’s exactly what Fighter Kevin Lee would say
“it makes sense, I see holes in his game” haha
There is a heavy recency bias in rankings, but it's not based on someone's last fight alone. Everything has a historical context about it. Does this really need to be reviewed? Cuz we can:That's not how it works.
Donald Cerrone also beat a lot of guys in the past. Should Makhachev be ranked number 6 if he beats Cerrone?
Kevin Lee came from the welterweight and got a present by a number 10 spot which he didn't deserve.
Then he gets a number 8 place by beating the number 11.
Now Oliveira is number 6 by beating only Kevin Lee who didn't even deserve his spot in the ranking.
See, I'm getting torn between arguments in this thread. I've got Guy A saying Felder shouldn't even be ranked, Guy B saying old wins just don't matter, and I've got this, so I'll try to not mix points here, since they're not your arguments. You're saying that Felder, RDA, and CFD should be above him? We can go over, but I'm probably gonna overtype like I always do.Felder caved his face in already
CDF has a more impressive stureak IMO as well. I don't see why there is even a tie. That's just stupid RDA should be above
I wasn't arguing Dariush or Makhachev should be ranked over him ATM just that they'd both clearly beat him. RDA/Felder/CDF should be ranked ahead tho
Nah man. Ties never erase the next spot. Say in the Olympics two guys tie for gold, the next guy gets bronze. That's just how it's always been. Cuz think of it, if there's 2 people at 6, there's still 7 people ahead of you, so how you can be 7?That's probably a typho or something. Felder should be No. 7 if both of them are No. 6
Yeah, it was pretty lucky to actually have a higher ranked fill-in opponent. That's pretty unusual, but it benefited him greatly.In any case, that's rather a meteoric rise in the the rankings for RDA. Not that far from a title shot at all.
Sure big guyDon't insult me.
Charles Oliveria is the most disrespected fighter on the roster, change my mind.
I didn't insult you, so you shouldn't insult me. I just said Islam should go fuck himself because i have interest seeing him maul mismatched opponents. I made no mention of your name. Agree to disagree respectfully. Or otherwise leave me alone, please. Can't be imsulting me over a fighter. Come on, now.Sure big guy
It amazes me Kevin Lee is #11, I figured in 2020 he would be champ back when he got started.
I didn't insult you, so you shouldn't insult me. I just said Islam should go fuck himself because i have interest seeing him maul mismatched opponents. I made no mention of your name. Agree to disagree respectfully. Or otherwise leave me alone, please. Can't be imsulting me over a fighter. Come on, now.
He kinda is, #6 ranked fighter, been campaigning for months to fight a top 5 opponent only to get offered guys like Dariush. But yes “f” one of the most exciting guys on the roster. If UFC and Tony were smart they’d book that fight.he fights once a year like hes some big shot or something. f him.
I agree on both counts.Nah man. Ties never erase the next spot. Say in the Olympics two guys tie for gold, the next guy gets bronze. That's just how it's always been. Cuz think of it, if there's 2 people at 6, there's still 7 people ahead of you, so how you can be 7?
Yeah, it was pretty lucky to actually have a higher ranked fill-in opponent. That's pretty unusual, but it benefited him greatly.
There is a heavy recency bias in rankings, but it's not based on someone's last fight alone. Everything has a historical context about it. Does this really need to be reviewed? Cuz we can:
Before Apr 2018: Barboza had last lost to Khabib and is ranked #5. (Should he not have been?). Kevin Lee just lost to Tony in an interim title fight and was ranked #6 (Was this an incorrect ranking?)
After Apr 2018: Kevin Lee finishes Barboza and they switch spots.
Before Dec 2018: Iaqunita is ranked #8 and just lost the title match against Khabib he filled in for. Kevin Lee is now ranked #4 after Eddie left. (Are either of these rankings incorrect?
After Dec 2018: Kevin Lee loses a close competitive fight. Al gets #4, Kevin drops back to #5. (You can argue that Kevin should have dropped more than Al raised, but Barboza was still #6 here, so who else would be above them?)
May 2019: After 2 close losses, Kevin moves up and fights RDA, who was ranked #3 at WW, and gets tapped. (Should returning to lightweight mean he should start over? Where would he come back in the rankings? It was the #5 LW vs the #3 WW at WW. His fighting at WW should drop him, which is why he was much lower upon his return.)
Before Nov 2019: Gregor Gillespie was basically in the same position Islam is now, except he hadn't been knocked out yet. He was ranked #11.
After Nov 2019: Kevin Lee knocks out Gregor impressively and moves to #8. (Is that too high? I might actually agree here, because Iaquinta was #9 after losing to Hooker and Kevin maybe should have still been behind him? But Barboza was now #10 after losing to Felder. All three guys had been losing, so they were dropping from where they were, but Kevin had just pulled a ranked win out of the top15, so let me know where you think he should have been.)
So when Do Bronx beats #8 Kevin Lee here, you don't think he should have taken his #8 spot?
These are the rankings after Charles beat Kevin. Do you dispute these rankings as they are? If so, please fix it for me, I'd like to see what you think.
Or are you saying that, since that time, there have been bigger/better wins for people that should be above Charles? If so, what were they?
I explain it better in another post, it's not automatic, just usual process if you've had similar trajectories. Usually, if you lose a match, you shouldn't be getting bigger opponents than the winner in the near future unless he loses. And if you both lose, he should still be generally getting better opponents than you (unless he was just completely dominated or something). Like if we're 2018, and you beat me, then we both beat like Dustin & Eddie but lose to Khabib & Tony, I'd still think you'd probably be above me.Conor McGregor in that list proves that the list is one big scam.
He hasn't won a fight in lightweight for more than 4 years and is ranked number 4.
I don't agree with you that if you beat a guy in the past and loose to someone else you should automatically still be in front of that guy that you beat more than a year ago.
The rest of your comment makes sense.
Very sensitive. I'm so upset. I'm crying right nowYou're quite the sensitive guy for someone who tells fighters to fuck themselves
Oliveira has a long winning streak and Lee was ranked in the top 10 at the time. Oliveira should probably be ranked higher.I don't understand why Oliveira is number 6?
He has 1 win over Kevin Lee and is number 6?