New Episode of "Unleashed" Panel Discussion is up (UFC 246 preview, and more Conor and Perry talk)

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  1. JayPettryMMA Danger Zone Aficionado Staff Member Sherdog.com Staff

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    The MMA Soldier, Rodney James Edgar of Cageside Press, joined Ant, Jay, and Ben as they discussed UFC 246, and the things we seem to be talking too much or too little about during the first Conor McGregor fight week in over a year. Come for the UFC 246 breakdown, stay for the rants about Perry and Conor. We look forward to the absolutely reasonable responses to our takes.

    0:00 Welcome
    ----- JESSICA PENNE vs. USADA -----
    3:40 How much of a double standard for bigger stars who fail drug tests?
    6:08 Is USADA doing a good job of cleaning up the sport?
    ----- MIKE PERRY -----
    15:17 How should the UFC be handling his unapologetic use of racial slurs?
    ----- I'M NOT SURPRISED, MISTER FALCONS -----
    31:14 De'Quan Townsend gives us a whole new kind of drug violation
    34:09 Helwani helps McGregor get through the hard questions
    37:10 Cerrone gets some mainstream love from the King of Beers(TM)
    42:29 Ant polls MMA Twitter to find the worst of the worst
    ----- SWING OR MISS -----
    43:25 Should the media be asking about the rape allegations against McGregor, and if so, how?
    57:26 Does UFC 246 feel like a blockbuster card?
    1:06:56 At +250 as of Monday, is "Cowboy" a live underdog?
    ----- SPEED BAG -----
    1:14:57 Will Maycee Barber get a title shot if she beats Roxanne Modafferi this weekend?
    1:16:40 Win or lose, will Anthony Pettis follow his brother Sergio to Bellator?
    1:17:45 If McGregor loses this weekend, will he retire?
    ----- UFC 246 LOOKAHEAD -----
    1:20:16 Name one fight you're most intrigued by. If you're Ben, name two.
    ----- BURIED TREASURE -----
    1:28:42 Perry is a platinum-plated PR turd
    1:30:34 Cerrone's Netflix n' kill
    1:33:59 Anthony Pettis injured during the collection of a urine sample for USADA. No, not like that.

     
  2. Frank McEdgar =====(SHERDOG)=====

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    How can I watch these live Jay?
     
  3. JayPettryMMA Danger Zone Aficionado Staff Member Sherdog.com Staff

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    Thanks for asking Frank, we don't have live broadcasts at the moment because of the late recording time of these shows, but we are looking to have a live show following UFC 247 in Houston which will be a lot of fun. We do some editing and processing which delays post-production and doesn't allow for live display, although we do have some cool plans this year to make things interesting.
     
  4. Frank McEdgar =====(SHERDOG)=====

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    Great stuff man.

    I'm listening to the episode now. So far enjoyable as usual. I always like hearing the views from the Sherdog Family.

    Looking forward to the content you guys bring in 2020. Thanks for the thread.
     
  5. Joseph_McBride Red Belt

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    Who are you to decide what Race or gender Perry identifies as? Don't be a bigot, his body his choice.
     
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  7. AntWalkerMMA Sherdog.com Staff Sherdog.com Staff

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    Thanks Frank...I couldn't be happier with the little guy
     
  8. JayPettryMMA Danger Zone Aficionado Staff Member Sherdog.com Staff

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    He was a special guest on a recent show as well, you could hear him providing backing vocals.
     
  9. whaleshark Assassin Pitbull

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    PLATINUM BLESS FOR 2020
    QUIT HATING ON A LIGHT SKINNED BROTHA JAY

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  10. helax Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Good stuff this week gentlemen
     
  11. Arrrrgh Black Belt

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    I don't know what this video is. What I mean is I don't know if it's a video series or a one off or what.
    I also don't know the faces and voices outside of seeing ant's name on the forums.

    Admittedly I just troll around on the forums here mostly and get my mma news elsewhere.

    I'm 18minutes into the video. Y'all have won me over.

    Those first 18 minutes should be required viewing for every fighter.

    Thank y'all for being willing to hit on the subjects that are danced around and even mocked by the community at times. I honestly cringe when a fighter's union comes up because it's something that so many people laugh off as needed but then nothing is done. The fighters need to realize it is as simple as contacting the nlrb, getting some union cards signed and boom, you have a union. Certainly there are more things that need to be hashed out, but its that easy. And there is nothing the UFC can do about it. And the NLRB will protect you from being fired for any attempts to unionize.

    Next up, the issue of race, y'all are hitting home with me. Not because y'all are discussing the n-word and it's use but because of the way you are discussing it and my background. I'm a white man who was emancipated as a kid and moved in with a black family in the south. I tried to fit in. My speech patterns changed. The way I dressed changed. I didn't do those things because I was imitating culture but because it was my culture. It was where I lived. It was my family. Mike Perry is in the same situation in a lot of ways.
    One thing I never did though was use the N-word. I'm not saying I'm better then anyone who does and I'm not saying I've never used it in my life. I've said it in conversations about about the word and the power attached to it. And, regretfully, before I ever moved in with my family I said it trying to be friendly with a black friend when I was much younger because I thought I heard him say it. He was really nice in correcting me. I was really apologetic. I'm getting side tracked, but the point is Mike isn't using that word to be offensive but intent doesn't matter when there is so much attached to it. It would hurt my mom if she ever heard me say it (my mother that took me in when I had no where else to go--family is what you make it not some bond from dna or blood). That alone is reason enough for me to never say it beyond a discussion of its use.
    The reason is that word still has the power to hurt.
    Just because it is only one word doesn't mean it is any less powerful or meaningful then a sentence. Telling someone their mother is a drug using whore who should die on the street is incredibly offensive. Now you'd never say that line with any other intent than the meaning we all know it has, to cut deep and offend (or in telling a story/joke perhaps). The N-word is different. It has the power to cut that deep or deeper because of the history attached to it but it also has been used to embrace. It's a lot easier to change the meaning of one word then a phrase because the words around it can imply its meaning. It's a complex issue. However there is a really simple way to approach it:
    Do you need to say it to get your point across or are you only saying it because you feel like you can (or it should be okay for you to)?

    Honestly I'd be much happier if people of all races dropped the word from their vocabulary at this point because it just emboldens the ones who mean it with bad intent. But even my mom uses the word. She doesn't normally say it around me but it has slipped out a few times so I know she's comfortable saying it when I'm not there. I haven't ever talked to her about it but perhaps I should.

    Anyway, just thought I'd share. You guys are awesome. I'm gonna grab food, finish listening and collect my thoughts and reflect some more.

    But yeah, I feel like I've been missing out on some great content and discussions.

    Thanks for doing this!
    (even if it is your jobs)
     
  12. BenjaminDuffy Mayor of Memory Lane Staff Member Sherdog.com Staff

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    Thank you so much for taking the time to share this. Seriously.
     
  13. BenjaminDuffy Mayor of Memory Lane Staff Member Sherdog.com Staff

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    Marking our first special guest since Juice Vargas survived a home invasion during Episode 8.
     
  14. Arrrrgh Black Belt

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    Thank you, Jay, Ant and Rodney.
    I'm still watching. 1hr 15min in but yeah man you guys are asking the right questions and having the right conversations. I hope this type of dialog doesn't lead to being pushed to the fringe by the UFC. I kind of wonder how much Ariel's banning affected him. He was always more of a fan as an interviewer trying to praise the fighters and befriend them but y'all couldn't be more correct that his piece with Conor was essentially a press released to control the narrative.
    I'm interested to hear the next discussion y'all have now that we know what happened when the question was asked--booed by fans, criticized by Dana and Cowboy and ultimately no response from Conor. He didn't have to answer and I won't say it makes him look more or less guilty, but it certainly supports the narrative that he's being protected.
    He's accused of rape. It is an accusation. It is an ugly word. And there is a contingent of fans that are assuming guilt which isn't fair. However, let Conor answer for himself. If his answer is his legal team advised him not to go into specifics until the situation is cleared up but reiterate what he said to ariel, that he is 100% innocent, then that's a strong answer. Let him say it. If he is falsely accused and the entire thing is a lie then it isn't helping his cause to let the fans boo and trivialize it and have Dana shut down the question before he gets a chance to answer. They are letting something very serious, an accusation of rape, play out like a WWE storyline with the response dictated by the fans. If the fans clapped for the question and booed Dana how would that change things?

    Anyway, again, thank you guys for the third time. I wish I had paid attention sooner. Can't wait for the next one. Y'all got my attention now.

    EDIT**
    Oh and I just want to point out the irony that this bump is what made me click on the thread:
     
  15. BenjaminDuffy Mayor of Memory Lane Staff Member Sherdog.com Staff

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    I guess we'll see if it affects our access. Ant has already run afoul of them once or twice -- he's the one that Dana snapped at when UFC 232 was moved from Las Vegas to Los Angeles on fight week because of Jon Jones, and Ant asked him about all the fighters on the card who were incurring additional expenses, not to mention the much higher CA income tax. Jay and I are credentialed for UFC 247 next month, and while I wouldn't relish getting my card pulled for expressing my honestly held opinion, part of me would consider it a badge of honor.

    To me, the most important part of this is that none of us are trolls or "hot take" guys. I'm not trying to be sensational, and certainly not doing this to get a rise out of any fighter or organization. We're just having the conversations that we feel need to be had.
     
  16. Arrrrgh Black Belt

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    And I appreciate y'all doing it.
    There is a lot of noise in this world and no magic button to filter it. However, eventually truth and honesty become their own filter. Keep doing what y'all are doing.
    I bet y'all aren't the only ones doing it either but sometimes its hard to change gears from enjoying the sport to having these conversations. That's probably why the boos came so easy and Dana does so well with his shit talking and brand of humor to change subjects. We want to laugh and have fun enjoying sport. At some point though we need to call out bullshit when we see it. Things like biased punishments in drug testing, MMA athletes getting a smaller share of profits than athletes in other major sports, unintended racism being laughed off or embraced... all of these things and more need our attention if we really love this sport and the competitors.

    Anyway, please keep it up. The more voices engaged in these types of conversations means it will reach more people. I love the sport, the fighters, and even the promotions that make it happen. There is no pure evil in this scenario but everyone has their biases that gone unchecked can set bad precedents.

    And you are right. If you lose access for asking the hard questions, that's real journalism. It would highlight the biggest problem that leads to all the smaller ones, the organization controlling the narrative (coming full circle to the helwani/conor interview). And if it happens you SHOULD wear it like a badge of honor.

    It was good talking to you man. I look forward to the next panel.
    Have fun watching the fights!
     
  17. AntWalkerMMA Sherdog.com Staff Sherdog.com Staff

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    I sincerely appreciate you sharing this with us. Adding new wrinkles to the conversation is our only real goal when working. Surface level coverage is everywhere and it's boring. Thank you
     

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