Crime New Boeing 737 Max crash, Update: Boeing knew sensor didn't work prior to Lion Air crash

Better than communism that produces nothing but genocide and starvation. I like cheap flights and a fridge too full of food.
Criticizing corporate practices doesn't mean you are advocating for communism.
 
United Airlines has extended cancellations of the Boeing 737 Max through early July.

American Airlines said Sunday it will cancel all Max flights through Aug. 19.

Southwest Airlines removed the Max jet from its schedule through Aug. 5.

United had previously cancelled Max flights through June 5.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/15/united-airlines-cancels-all-737-max-flights-through-early-july.html

Guess American really needs those planes. Must have bought alot

Edit: the max has only had 96 safe flights and 2 crashes killing everyone onboard?

Holy shit that's a 1/50 chance. That must be the least safe thing in mass transit since the titanic
 
Edit: the max has only had 96 safe flights?

Where did you possibly see that? That's not true at all. Yeah, it's shockingky early in their life for this. First 787 max commercial flight was October of 2017 in the US. But there hasn't been sub 100 trips.


I think there were like 350 Maxes in service worldwide, and they made a lot more than a single flight each
 
Guess American really needs those planes. Must have bought alot

Edit: the max has only had 96 safe flights and 2 crashes killing everyone onboard?

Holy shit that's a 1/50 chance. That must be the least safe thing in mass transit since the titanic
No there are over 300 of these planes in service worldwide, with 5000 more on order. They must have made thousands of flight by now, if not tens of thousands. The trouble is even if the accident rate is 1/10000, that's still too high.
 
Where did you possibly see that? That's not true at all. Yeah, it's shockingky early in their life for this. First 787 max commercial flight was October of 2017 in the US. But there hasn't been sub 100 trips.


I think there were like 350 Maxes in service worldwide, and they made a lot more than a single flight each

i read it wrong, they have 96 flights with the new system.
 
i read it wrong, they have 96 flights with the new system.

Ok that makes more sense. Number of test flights, pilot only, with Boeing's proposed fix then. Thanks
 
Boeing better get it right, because if another Max goes down for the same reason once it comes back online, the Max is dead.
 
Source: Boeing whistleblowers report 737 Max problems to FAA

The FAA tells CNN it received the four hotline submissions on April 5, and it may be opening up an entirely new investigative angle into what went wrong in the crashes of two Boeing 737 Max commercial airliners -- Lion Air flight 620 in October and Ethiopian Air flight 302 in March.

Among the complaints is a previously unreported issue involving damage to the wiring of the angle of attack sensor by a foreign object, according to the source.

Boeing has reportedly had previous issues with foreign object debris in its manufacturing process; The New York Times reported metal shavings were found near wiring of Boeing 787 Dreamliner planes, and the Air Force stopped deliveries of the Boeing KC-46 tanker after foreign object debris was found in some of the planes coming off the production line.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/26/politics/faa-hotline-reports/index.html


 
Boeing Knew About 737 Max Sensor Problem Before Plane Crash In Indonesia

Boeing knew that there was a problem with one of the safety features on its 737 Max planes back in 2017 – well before the Lion Air crash in October 2018 and the Ethiopian Airlines crash in March. But it did not disclose the issue to airlines or safety regulators until after the Lion Air plane crashed off the Indonesian coast, killing all 189 aboard.

In a statement Sunday, Boeing said its engineers discovered a problem with a key safety indicator within months of Boeing delivering the first 737 Max planes to airlines. The indicator, called an angle of attack disagree alert, is designed to warn pilots if the plane's sensors are transmitting contradictory data about the direction of the plane's nose.

Boeing intended for the indicator to be standard on the 737 Max, in keeping with the features available on previous generation of 737s. But its engineers discovered that the sensor only worked with a separate, optional safety feature. Boeing said the faulty software was delivered by a vendor, which it didn't name.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/7205...ensor-problem-before-plane-crash-in-indonesia
 
Boeing Knew About 737 Max Sensor Problem Before Plane Crash In Indonesia

Boeing knew that there was a problem with one of the safety features on its 737 Max planes back in 2017 – well before the Lion Air crash in October 2018 and the Ethiopian Airlines crash in March. But it did not disclose the issue to airlines or safety regulators until after the Lion Air plane crashed off the Indonesian coast, killing all 189 aboard.

In a statement Sunday, Boeing said its engineers discovered a problem with a key safety indicator within months of Boeing delivering the first 737 Max planes to airlines. The indicator, called an angle of attack disagree alert, is designed to warn pilots if the plane's sensors are transmitting contradictory data about the direction of the plane's nose.

Boeing intended for the indicator to be standard on the 737 Max, in keeping with the features available on previous generation of 737s. But its engineers discovered that the sensor only worked with a separate, optional safety feature. Boeing said the faulty software was delivered by a vendor, which it didn't name.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/7205...ensor-problem-before-plane-crash-in-indonesia

Seems like something that would have been caught by union quality inspectors.
 
Boeing's 737 Max software outsourced to $9-an-hour engineers

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...llar9-an-hour-engineers/ar-AADzCXz?ocid=ientp

Some excerpts-

The Max software -- plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

Boeing said the company did not rely on engineers from HCL and Cyient for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, which has been linked to the Lion Air crash last October and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. The Chicago-based planemaker also said it didn’t rely on either firm for another software issue disclosed after the crashes: a cockpit warning light that wasn’t working for most buyers

Recent simulator tests by the Federal Aviation Administration suggest the software issues on Boeing’s best-selling model run deeper. The company’s shares fell this week after the regulator found a further problem with a computer chip that experienced a lag in emergency response when it was overwhelmed with data.

Sales are another reason to send the work overseas. In exchange for an $11 billion order in 2005 from Air India, Boeing promised to invest $1.7 billion in Indian companies. That was a boon for HCL and other software developers from India, such as Cyient, whose engineers were widely used in computer-services industries but not yet prominent in aerospace.
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It's a good article and I suggest anyone at all interested in the fubar going on at Boeing right now read all of it. They have issues with their 787 Dreamliner as well under criminal investigation. The TLDR here tho is that Boeing in another example of questionable cost cutting, outsourced software engineering code writing to inexperienced and under-qualified Indian firms where workers made only 9 bucks an hour, in exchange for India placing large orders for their planes

@VivaRevolution
 
Boeing's 737 Max software outsourced to $9-an-hour engineers

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...llar9-an-hour-engineers/ar-AADzCXz?ocid=ientp

Some excerpts-

The Max software -- plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

Boeing said the company did not rely on engineers from HCL and Cyient for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, which has been linked to the Lion Air crash last October and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. The Chicago-based planemaker also said it didn’t rely on either firm for another software issue disclosed after the crashes: a cockpit warning light that wasn’t working for most buyers

Recent simulator tests by the Federal Aviation Administration suggest the software issues on Boeing’s best-selling model run deeper. The company’s shares fell this week after the regulator found a further problem with a computer chip that experienced a lag in emergency response when it was overwhelmed with data.

Sales are another reason to send the work overseas. In exchange for an $11 billion order in 2005 from Air India, Boeing promised to invest $1.7 billion in Indian companies. That was a boon for HCL and other software developers from India, such as Cyient, whose engineers were widely used in computer-services industries but not yet prominent in aerospace.
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It's a good article and I suggest anyone at all interested in the fubar going on at Boeing right now read all of it. They have issues with their 787 Dreamliner as well under criminal investigation. The TLDR here tho is that Boeing in another example of questionable cost cutting, outsourced software engineering code writing to inexperienced and under-qualified Indian firms where workers made only 9 bucks an hour, in exchange for India placing large orders for their planes

@VivaRevolution


Of course you can outsource to India and pay less. It will suck, but you can do that.
 
Have a friend that works for Boeing that has been ranting on FB with how it sounds like the shop stewards and higher ups are trying to at least internally throw the actual line workers under the bus for this.
 
Have a friend that works for Boeing that has been ranting on FB with how it sounds like the shop stewards and higher ups are trying to at least internally throw the actual line workers under the bus for this.

Ridiculous. It's a design flaw. Line workers aren't accountable for shitty designs

Perhaps a slight area that would work on is Rosemount where the angle of attack sensors were made that seem to have a higher fail rate than would be expected

But a system that can force the plane into full nose dive not using redundant sensors is the primary issue, on top of a culture of putting cost cutting and schedule deadlines so as to not lose market share ahead of safety and sound engineering.
 
Clearly for conservatives it does

Except when it comes to tech companies taking down right wing social media, in that scenario they want full communism.
 
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