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Nice, but I was thinking of the Jackson pic from Pulp Fiction with the caption, "The FAQ motherfucker, can you read it?!":icon_chee
Nice, but I was thinking of the Jackson pic from Pulp Fiction with the caption, "The FAQ motherfucker, can you read it?!":icon_chee
Wow, The value of calisthenics and other body weight exercises is greatly under appreciated on this sub-forum.
I would venture to guess as a martial artist or any other athlete you could easily do all of the training you need to supplement your sport with out the use of traditional weight lifting. Obviously there would be some exceptions to this rule, figuring most definitely weightlifters and football players ( notably, linemen)
You can make plenty of strength gains with body weight exercises. But if you want a 315 bench you have to lay under a bar. But most of us don't need that.
Push ups and dips will make you plenty strong. If they're not hard enough, try them with one leg elevated, how about a clap?, or you can elevate you legs. Still not hard enough? How about a round of handstand push ups on a parallel bars? (okay, the muscle group has changed).
There are plenty of great body weight exercises. Use the traditional ones. Plus be a little creative. I've brought in some of my Capoeira training to come up with some interesting versions of squats. I've also added some yoga moves as well. Both of these have done wonders to improve my mobility and increase my strength over a broad range of movement.
You could also wear a weigh vest. ( yes, I leave myself open with that statement)
I add in various calisthenics to my weight lifting program. BUT it is used to supplement a weight training program, NOT replace it. Bodyweight exercises limit the resistance being used, thus limiting the strength that can be gained. Exercises like elevating a leg during push ups increases the difficulty of the movement because it puts more strain on the core, it DOES NOT increase resistance on the primary muscles i.e. the pectoralis major and minor. So it may be great for your core, but will not increase chest or shoulder strength. As far as bodyweight squats replacing weighted squats..........come on.
However muscular development in a calisthenic routing will be more focused on muscular endurance.
not entirely the case. I'm a rock climber. The bulk of my training is spent rock climbing.
I supplement that with body weight exercises since that's the heaviest thing I'm going to be moving. Huge quads are going to do me any good on the wall. As matter of it, the extra weigh will hurt.
I believe there a many other athletes out there that fit into some form of my mold.
the answer to everyone's training routine can not be found solely at the grips of a 45 lb bar and some plates.
Of course not. I doubt elite Marathon runners will be using Starting Strength either. But TS is asking about BW strength training for Martial Arts, and in this case, a proven free weight program like SS or 5/3/1 is the best option.
perhaps there in lies the question; what is more beneficial to a martial artist; conditioning or strength?
oh well, I just like to roll in here every once and a while and represent the conditioning side of the argument.
And I would venture to guess the strength gains one could make in a well thought out and creative, purely calisthenic program would be sufficient for most sports.
I would say that is pure bs. Even in say football (soccer), a sport not really about max strength, players will engage in heavy weighlifting in squats, in oly lifts, to develop strength and power.
Calisthenics are not even nearly close enough to make required strength gains for a large number of sports and in all that time you spend thinking up ridiculously contrived and difficult body weight exercises would have been better spent squatting.
I reckon even a rock climber not on a calorie excess diet would benefit immensely from a proper strength programme.
perhaps there in lies the question; what is more beneficial to a martial artist; conditioning or strength?
oh well, I just like to roll in here every once and a while and represent the conditioning side of the argument.
20 pistols each leg
20 box jumps 36"
20 step ups 36"
20 side lunges each side
50 yard sprints
tailor the rounds and effort to the individual.
God damn dude, there is no argument. You work your weakness or that which you decide to progress in, both have a place and there is no general criteria of "what is better", everything should be individualized.
I have about 20 years of body building experience ( yeah, that's what weight lifting was when I was doing it), about 5 years of Capoeira, and another 4 of rock climbing. I tell you at 45 yrs old I'm still quite strong with out the use of weights.
The thread looks a lot like a body weight routine for strengthening to me. I tried to answer the TS's request in a format in which he inquired about. Unlike the standard post that would have him run the standard big three lifts.
And it seems like when ever you post anything in this sub-forum outside of that, you get shit for it.
And if you you're quoting me on my use of the term argument, it was meant in the form to express a side of a discussion not used in the combative sense.