Netherlands to withdraw food and shelter from failed asylum-seekers

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  1. Orgasmo

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    You should have thought of that before you illegally entered into a country, the possibility of your stay being denied. Now that country had enough of the migrants' shit, and is cutting them off. There is no storm. These people pay thousands to traffickers to get them through. They did this by choice.

    Cry some more.
     
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    This is a question that has nothing to do with this scenario. This is about a Country, not an individual. If you're asking if I'd spend my hard earned tax dollars to help them while they were in this Country, the answer is absolutely...
     
  3. Anung Un Rama

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    Poster: I have a problem with a first world nation leaving people open to the elements with zero food or resources.

    Poster II: well why don't you invite them to your house....
     
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    Also, there are roughly a billion people in europe, about half of them in the EU. The EU is expecting about 800K refugees this year. That's a tiny fucking dent. Even if they got three times that, it would be a half a percent of the total population. That's not a demographic shift. That's a fart in a stadium, even if it continued for a couple years.
     
  5. Anung Un Rama

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    I haven't seen a single post in this thread arguing that The Netherlands, or any country has a responsibility to give 100% of these refugees asylum and full citizenship.

    The two sides are:
    1. There has to be a more humane way to deal with the refugees while they are moved.

    Vs

    2. Starve you dirty Muslim!
     
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    This is already happening unfortunately...and it's happening right down the old Warsaw pact divide. I give it less than 5 years before east and west Europe are going to have a a serious ideological "conversation" about who should, and who shouldn't be allowed in.

    I think Turkey is going to be a big bone of contention.
     
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    If they'd fully assimilate sure. No problem. But that isn't the case.
     
  8. Orgasmo

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    Germany expects 800k migrants alone this year, so that 800k for entire Europe is a bullshit lowball. Did you happen to forget Europe is going through a financial and debt crisis this very moment? That's billions Europe do not need to spend on managing these illegal immigrants. Just because I can afford to house a few random homeless people, doesn't mean I have to.
     
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    I think the rule change will be put in place as more of a deterrent than anything. Yes, some of the refugees arriving now will have a difficult time, but it will make those currently planning to move there think twice, which is clearly what the Netherlands wants.
     
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    Honestly, my position is provide food and shelter until you can return them home/ move them (those that fail the process).

    Also the EU and it's members should be working on a plan to share the burden proportionately.
     
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    As propaganda I fully support it.
     
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    Secular liberals are more christian than conservatives when it comes to helping others, and conservatives are more about evolution when it comes to social darwinism.
     
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    Bingo
     
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    Condining child rape aside.

    Netherlands have 16.8 million people and 7% unemployment.

    That's over a million unemployed people.

    The article linked in the OP said 6,240 were rejected last year. According to my calculator that's 1/188th what the unemployment is.

    Lets not pretend like this is a massive amount of government expendature they're saving here.
     
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    Everything you said I can agree with.

    The thing, however is this: people are way more sympathetic to mothers who come from similar, and more compatible cultures than to mothers stemming from rival ideologies. Many people are running out of give a fucks for mothers who have none for the folks in the host countries.

    And that's the issue. People are questioning why they should feed and house people who hate them and see them as adversaries... Whether they are or not. Perception is reality. And when you perceive these migrants as such, you will eventually treat them as such.
     
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  17. JuanSmaqaho

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    What the Netherlands and Hungary do with these people is their business and and their's alone.
     
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    Not when Human Rights are involved it isn't...
     
  19. Not hardcore enough although it is a step in the right direction. A lot of these so called 'Asylum seekers' are liars and thieves looking to abuse generous wel-fare states. Deportations is more ideal and is better for the NATIVE citizens who go hungry in their own damn country!!
     
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    i think i can see both side.

    on one side i think its human moral responsibility to help our fellow man, and try fulfill
    their basic needs, but on the other hand. i can see how too many immigrants who has no idea how to assimilate and contribute to that society can damaged the society.

    i understand your point of view and i can understand other point of view as well.
     

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