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Don't you know? that's how Broz works. Max out every day, overtrain, and overtrain some more, until the overtraining goes away... *rolls eyes*
but the chinese and russians told him to!
Don't you know? that's how Broz works. Max out every day, overtrain, and overtrain some more, until the overtraining goes away... *rolls eyes*
Don't you know? that's how Broz works. Max out every day, overtrain, and overtrain some more, until the overtraining goes away... *rolls eyes*
I take it you don't agree with a lot of his ideas. Have you read this article?
Q&A
What do you think of it?
I take it you don't agree with a lot of his ideas. Have you read this article?
Q&A
What do you think of it?
Tosa, what's so bad about maxing out every day? I don't find that to be hard, or too taxing. Now doing 20 heavy triples every day, that's something different, that is something that I don't think I could last doing very long...
Also about overtraining, I'm still unsure... can you actually tell whether you are overtraining by how you feel? Because one week (well 6 days to be exact) in the summer I did about 60 heavy squat triples overall, and I felt fine. On the 6th day I actually managed a 42" box jump for the first time. Maybe you can't feel your cns not getting enough rest? I don't know...
You're right, I don't like most of them. I'm sure this is going to get a bunch of negative responses since it seems like it's the only way to talk around here. But, I just find the 3 day work outs so short ya know? I mean I guess if they are proven to work, they work. Just seems like I should be doing more than 3X5 sets and 3 work outs. But if that's what I have to do that's what i'll do. I just want to move my mma game to another level. I've read books and stuff but a lot of the exercises I can't do in our gym because the aerobic room is always in use. So I was hoping someone here would provide me with their workout plan, didn't think it would be this difficult hahah. Someone did at the beginning though and I wrote that down though so I guess i'll give that a shot next week.
My understanding of Neurobiology is limited, so I'm not going to try and refute particular details in that article.
What I will say is that (1) if you look at what are generally conisdered "good routines", Sheiko, westside, TM, 5/3/1, and so on, you'll find that there's only so many heavy reps in a month, it'll vary from one routine to another, but there's a surprisingly similar amount of "heavy work"...so I think it's reasonable to conclude it's because this amount works.
(2) It runs counter to what's recommened by Verkoshansky, Zatsiorsky, Prilepin, Sheiko, Simmons...and so on. And it'll take more evidence to convince me that what they consider to be good programming is wrong. All of whom consider the inclusion of light and meduim loads important. Certainly more people have gotten strong following the principles laid out by the people/routines mentioned above than by maxing out everyday.
(3) In every other case where lifting everyday is done, it's done after gradually increasing volume over years.
(4) When we write "overtraining" we usually mean "overeaching", which is a short term condition, that can be fixed by taking it easy, getting some more good food, making use of recovery methods like massage or contrast showers. But Overtraining in actuality is a serious medical condition, which can take months to recover from...so training through overtraining seems like very bad advice.
(5) Broz talks about being inspired by the Bulgarian method...the Bulgarian method only really existed as most people understand it under Abadjiev, and was heavily dependant on PEDs, as well as the athletes constantly being monitored by coaches. It's also a program for taking someone with the potential to compete in weightlifting at a very high level and forfill the potential...it's not a program for the average person who just what's to get stronger, and stay stronger...the Bulgarian lifters had much shorter competive careers than the Russians.
PWR1982, if that works for you, fine. Maybe you're a freak of nature (in a good way). Or maybe you'd have even better success training differently. Or eventually reach the point where you do need to train differently.
what percentage of your max are your singles? I doubt any one of them advised you to do heavy sets of the same exercises every freakin day. That will burn out the average lifter.
Tosa, I think you may be writing off Broz' methods prematurely. I think there's something to his training methods as well as his belief that the overtraining excuse is generally a cop-out.
On the other hand, I'm not sure his methods are appropriate for someone interested in MMA because I don't see how someone can max out daily and still be at his best for fighting. Personally, I think TS should limit his strength training to like a 2-day split as found in the FAQs and focus more on grappling, sparring, etc. I would do the following:
Day one:
Squat
Bench press
Bent over row
Day two:
Deadlift (rotate with Power Cleans)
Overhead press
Weighted pullup/chinup
If he has the experience, mix in some olympic lifting - C&J and Snatch.
I believe Broz actually does recommend gradually increasing workload up to the stage of maxing every day or whatever he actually does with his elite lifters. I do think I remember seeing somewhere where he recommends starting at back squatting heavy (although I'm not sure if this is necessarily a max single each day) 3x a week and gradually adding to that.
Regardless, no matter how retarded it may look on paper, I just can't really argue with Pat Mendes and Rob Adell. Possible explanations: 1. they both happen to be incredible genetic freaks, 2. they are on the sauce and are somehow not getting caught, 3. Broz's training methods actually have some merit to them, or 4. some combination of the above.
And there are people unaffiliated with Broz who have made good progress using his ideas. Off the top of my head, a poster called The Natural on Power and Bulk forums used Broz-esque/Bulgarian training for a while and made very good progress before the injuries caught up with him. He has a log about it that you can skim over if you want. He also happens to be a strong mofo, which makes the log all the more interesting.
85%-95%
usually on the lower end depends on how i'm feeling
TOSA you believe single daily maxes on a squat 4x a week will lead to overtraining?!??!
A fighters main training should consist of actually fighting(training new techniques, refining, sparring, etc.)
This was an outline of an offseason wrestling strength program.
Tosa, I think you may be writing off Broz' methods prematurely. I think there's something to his training methods as well as his belief that the overtraining excuse is generally a cop-out.
On the other hand, I'm not sure his methods are appropriate for someone interested in MMA because I don't see how someone can max out daily and still be at his best for fighting. Personally, I think TS should limit his strength training to like a 2-day split as found in the FAQs and focus more on grappling, sparring, etc. I would do the following:
Day one:
Squat
Bench press
Bent over row
Day two:
Deadlift (rotate with Power Cleans)
Overhead press
Weighted pullup/chinup
If he has the experience, mix in some olympic lifting - C&J and Snatch.
Tosa, I think you may be writing off Broz' methods prematurely. I think there's something to his training methods as well as his belief that the overtraining excuse is generally a cop-out.
This thread makes me sad. I miss S&P.