Neck Cranks?

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Ohnani

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Hi, I was just wondering whether it is usually okay for anyone to perform a neck crank while rolling in class. I guess it's banned in competitions and such, but is it usually okay while in class?
 
I saw a brown belt get pretty mad one time when a blue belt tried one on him, so personally, I wouldn't try it.
 
Well it's not me, it was my partner doing it to me :icon_chee. I was under the impression that we weren't supposed to do it, but my sparring partner just did it really fast and hard, and I tapped as quickly as I ever have.
 
if you're doing bjj then the answer is no, especially if you're a noob.

and seeing as you asked the question, you're a noob.

so, no.
 
As long as you don't crank them really hard before the guy has a chance to tap, I don't see why anybody should have a problem with them.

And while we're on the topic, I'm sick of seeing people whine about neck cranks. Quit bitching and learn how to defend them.:mad:
 
It's usually bad form to go for a neck crank. I have been neck cranked by my instructor though, so it really depends. If you initiate questionable jiu jitsu, don't cry when the guy tries the same thing on you.

If you do go for one, make sure it's an actual move, such as the crucifix from the top, and not just you squeezing a guys neck with brute gorilla strength. And make sure you do it slowly and give the guy time to tap.
 
Ohnani said:
God Forbid a beginner hasn't quite learned it yet...
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First of all, most of the bitching I've seen has come from more advanced guys who should know better (like the brown belt Goat Meal referred to). In any event, how is it any different than not knowing how to defend an armbar or a triangle and then complaining about getting caught in one?

If people spent half the time learning to defend neck cranks that they spend whining about them, this wouldn't even be an issue.
 
BJJ Beginner said:
First of all, most of the bitching I've seen has come from more advanced guys who should know better (like the brown belt Goat Meal referred to). In any event, how is it any different than not knowing how to defend an armbar or a triangle and then complaining about getting caught in one?

If people spent half the time learning to defend neck cranks that they spend whining about them, this wouldn't even be an issue.
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It's all good, I'll be more ready next time.
 
FLMikeATT said:
It's usually bad form to go for a neck crank. I have been neck cranked by my instructor though, so it really depends. If you initiate questionable jiu jitsu, don't cry when the guy tries the same thing on you.
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See, this is the sort of thinking that I just don't get. Why are neck cranks considered "questionable jiu jitsu"? My school teaches them on a regular basis just like any other technique, everybody uses them, and nobody gets injured or complains about them. From what I've read on this forum, this apparently isn't the case at a lot of (and possibly even most) other schools. But why is that?
 
Ohnani said:
It's all good, I'll be more ready next time.
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That's a good attitude to have. Keep thinking like that and you'll do just fine.

By the way, I didn't mean to give the impression that my response was directed at you in particular. It's the more experienced guys who look down on neck cranks that I don't understand. The funny thing is that many of them see nothing wrong with using heel hooks, which are far more likely to cause serious injury than a properly applied neck crank.
 
Systemanoob said:
Why because he was going to get tapped by a blue belt? Pathetic.
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More then likely it had something to do with no technique, no actual chance at a submission, and just an attempt to inflict pain which is pointless.
 
BJJ Beginner said:
See, this is the sort of thinking that I just don't get. Why are neck cranks considered "questionable jiu jitsu"? My school teaches them on a regular basis just like any other technique, everybody uses them, and nobody gets injured or complains about them. From what I've read on this forum, this apparently isn't the case at a lot of (and possibly even most) other schools. But why is that?
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because neck cranks/spine locks like heel hooks are an extremely dangerous submission. let's put it this way: Do guys get their elbows hurt from armbars? Shoulders from shoulder locks? Ankles from foot locks? Ofcourse no matter how carfull you are sometimes when you "go at it" people get hurt. The difference between a neck and an elbow is that you neck/spine is so tricky that just a small tick could put you away from anywhere from a few days to years. That's why neck cranks (especially for beginners) are frowned upon.

I really love it when people say "oh i teach neck cranks to beginners and no one get's hurt" Oh really? What you mean to say is that "no one got hurt YET". People have sore elbows and shoulders/knees/ankles from submissions. Elbows pop and you don't think that your neck won't get injured?
 
BJJ Beginner said:
By the way, I didn't mean to give the impression that my response was directed at you in particular. It's the more experienced guys who look down on neck cranks that I don't understand. The funny thing is that many of them see nothing wrong with using heel hooks, which are far more likely to cause serious injury than a properly applied neck crank.
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Don't compare heel hooks to neck cranks; Yes both are very dangerous. But let's look at worst case scenarios. A heel hook can give you multiple spiral fractors on your shin bone and tear your knee appart. So worst case scenario you walk with a slight limp for the rest of your life . You might not be able to train hard but you will be able to enjoy jiu jitsu (i had a friend who was a leg amputee who still trained). Your quality of life won't be as great but you can and still do alot of things you did before.


What is the worst case scenario for a destroyed spinal cord. Basically, you turn into Stephen Hawkin. Dude they are both dangerous submissions but the "end game" doesn't even compare.
 
Depends where you train. Where I train it's okay, as long as you take it slow and don't crank it too much. But we do train neck cranks, so it's permitted. Same with heel hooks. But listen, if you haven't learned it, don't go trying it.
 
I am about it being taught.. just to the experienced guys who are very unlikely to "crank it" when rolling. I trust my higer belts. But there are even blue belts that i just straight out say "i don't trust you heel hooking/neck cranking me so don't do it" when we spar.
 
I would suggest asking your instructor to talk to the whole class about neck cranks; specifically about how they can be more dangerous than other subs and how they should be applied slowly and judiciously, if at all.
 
blanko said:
I am about it being taught.. just to the experienced guys who are very unlikely to "crank it" when rolling. I trust my higer belts. But there are even blue belts that i just straight out say "i don't trust you heel hooking/neck cranking me so don't do it" when we spar.
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Fair enough, and I don't think the instructor at my academy teaches them to the white belts, or uses it if he rolls with them. But he's worked with me and some of the others at my level on certain neck cranks, and suggests that we try them out when rolling.
 
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