Crime Nancy Pelosi & The Butchers of Beijing: Top Gun Maverack

[Deorum]

TL;DR: The easiest thread I'll ever start because it requires so little actual analysis or knowledge. It's simply a matter of historical and political record, fact and reality. So, grab you favorite ice cream and take a stroll through Chinatown, this is a mere partial chronology of the most staunchly Anti-CCP politician in American history.

As you can see, that's a headline from 15 years ago. 15 years prior to that, Pelosi was literally - and illegally - protesting the regime (see this thread) in the middle of Tiananmen Square as a sitting US congresswoman; she openly fought against both the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administration(s) to revoke China's "most favored nation" trade status; opposed permanent "normalized" relations with the country while America was getting deindustrialized and its light manufacturing offshored (see this thread too); was the most vocal opponent of and voted against the PNTR bill in 2000 that all but approved the CCP joining the WTO...

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/mfn97.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/mfn97pr.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prpla.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prclinch.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prnuke.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prchinla.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prmfn.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prclint.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prmfn798.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prchivot.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prxu.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prchirts.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prunchin.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/przhu.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prntr.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prtibet.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prtibet.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prwto.htm

She wrote various Op-Eds in major newspapers denouncing CCP Presidents as tyrants when they made official state visits to the US; called for boycott of the opening ceremony of the 2008 Olympics; broke decorum for all the right reasons and met with pro-democracy dissidents while on official business to China as Speaker of the House while Obama was POTUS. Fuck, she even supported President Trump's policies, with the only caveat being a more comprehensive approach and united front of EU and East Asian allies as opposed to starting simultaneous trade wars with them.

The former stay-at-home mother of five who didn't get elected to Congress until she was nearly 50 years old rose to become the most powerful woman in the history of US politics. And as far as the CCP? She's the baddest bitch to ever do it, more aggressive in her open hostility - "dozens of deliberate anti-China incidents" - than every cucked out of their mind, sell out US male politician there's ever been, on "both sides", bar none.

Excerpts:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Feinstein-vs-Pelosi-Over-China-Issue-S-F-2977076.php

WASHINGTON -- Underscoring the great divide over U.S.-China policy, San Francisco's two most influential lawmakers in Washington are leading opposing sides as Congress prepares to vote today on China's trading status.

To Pelosi, it is reckless to grant full trading privileges to an oppressive state in the hope that it will translate into political freedom. "I don't believe in the concept of trickle-down liberty," she said yesterday in an interview. "Economic reform does not necessarily lead to political reform."

She also contends that China will never fully open its markets to U.S. goods unless it believes that Washington will retaliate for unfair trade practices, something she believes the United States has thus far shown little sign of doing.

The annual debate over China trade "has strengthened the administration's hand, increased its leverage" on such issues, Pelosi said. "The very fear of revocation has brought the Chinese to the negotiating table."

http://www.sfgate.com/hdn/hrlm/p/fastly_redirect.html?dm=https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pelosi-on-China-A-voice-in-the-global-wilderness-3082494.php

CHINA -- It's not often that members of Congress find themselves running from police in foreign countries. But in September 1991, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, had slipped out of her Beijing hotel room, with reporters and a crowd of curious followers in tow, and gone without official permission to Tiananmen Square.

Along with two other members of Congress, Pelosi unwrapped a banner that read, "To those who died for democracy in China." The decidedly undiplomatic delegation was immediately surrounded by police and Chinese "tourists" who pulled walkie-talkies from their backpacks.

Anybody watching Pelosi since San Francisco voters elected her to Congress in 1987 could find dozens of deliberate anti-China incidents orchestrated by the 58-year-old mother of five. She keeps a photo from the 1991 visit, displaying it occasionally on the floor of Congress.

Pelosi has emerged as a leading critic of the Chinese regime and of her own president, who she says has a bankrupt policy toward China. More often than not, she finds herself on the outside while Bill Clinton dines on chilled lobster with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

While fellow Bay Area resident Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein was hosting a 1997 Blair House reception for her "oldest friend in China" - Jiang - Pelosi was across the street at a protest denouncing him as a despot.

"What do they expect me to say?" Pelosi asked. "That it's not OK for a Republican president to coddle dictators, but it's OK for a Democrat?"

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/amp/Clinton-pushes-hard-for-China-to-join-WTO-3066678.php

WASHINGTON --The opponents Clinton mentions are not congressional Republicans, but some of his own party's leaders in Congress. Two of the strongest foes of permanent normal trade relations with China are House Democratic Minority Whip David Bonior, D-Mich., and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco. Pelosi has said she has no major problems with China's entering the World Trade Organization, where it will be subject to international rules on trade. But she opposes giving up the right of Congress to review the country's trade status with China on a yearly basis.

"We all agree that it would be better to have China inside the WTO, complying with the rules, rather than the status quo of China on the outside violating its agreements with the United States," Pelosi said. "To date, however, the Chinese government has consistently failed to honor its signed bilateral agreements on trade and its international covenants on the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and on human rights in China and Tibet. The Chinese government has no credibility and begs the question: Why should the United States grant permanent trade status on the basis of broken promises rather than proven performance?"

http://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-apr-20-oe-pelosi20-story.html

Today, President Bush will roll out the red carpet for Chinese President Hu Jintao, a leader whose government brutally crushes freedom, democracy and the religious expression of the Chinese and Tibetan people. Hu will receive the best welcome U.S. taxpayer money can buy, including full military honors and a 21-gun salute.

This is the same regime that provides military technologies to countries that threaten international security, including Iran and North Korea. The same regime that threatens Taiwan with a military attack, detains and tortures Chinese people for expressing their political and religious beliefs and arrests Tibetans for carrying a picture of the Dalai Lama.

While open dialogue is essential, many of us on both sides of the aisle in Congress oppose the celebratory nature of this official visit. This is not about isolationism. We must have engagement with China, but it should be sustainable engagement that enables us to maintain our values, continue our economic growth and uphold our national security.

Our growing national debt to China is a national security issue. Countries such as China that own our debt will soon not only be making our toys, our clothes and our computers, they will be making our foreign policy.

U.S. policy toward China is ineffective in upholding the pillars of our foreign policy -- promoting democratic freedom, stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and growing our economy by promoting exports abroad. Instead, we have pursued trickle-down liberty -- promoting economic freedom first, assuming that political freedom will follow. Reality exposes this policy as the illusion it is.

Bush administration officials say they hope that China will become a “responsible stakeholder.” We should avoid wishful thinking. Beijing’s priority is regime security. Economic development, along with the harsh repression of its own citizens, are the means to maintain political power. Access to the U.S. market is central to Beijing’s strategy.

American access to the massive Chinese market is also essential, but our trade relationship has been a disaster. Despite more than a decade of concessions, the trade deficit with China has grown from $4 billion a year to more than $4 billion a week. China continues to manipulate its currency, making its exports cheaper and U.S. imports more expensive than they would be in free-market conditions.

http://pelosi.house.gov/news/press-...n-trump-administration-s-new-tariffs-on-china

“The report of the USTR investigation on China’s intellectual property theft is a good first step, but far more is need to confront the full range of China’s bad behavior. Beijing’s regulatory barriers, localization requirements, labor abuses, anticompetitive ‘Made in China 2025’ policy and many other unfair trade practices require a full and comprehensive response. The tariffs announced today should be used as a leverage point to negotiate more fair and open trade for U.S. products in China.”

 

[Yehudim]

WTF I love Nancy now

I thought the anti-CCP rhetoric was just jumping on the recent trend

 

[The ScorpioN]

Didn't know this. Makes me respect the crypt keeper a little more. Good on her.

 

[Don the grifter]

Who'd have thought Pelosi was racist...

 

[Rocco Siffredi]

Who'd have thought Pelosi was racist...

and now we have irrefutable evidence!

 

[DavidsGhost]

Petition to create a sherdog account for Trump so we can @ him in this thread

 

[ElKarlo]

Would be great if she actually got her way and forced Biden to act tough. Amazing how much hypocrisy there was on China til recently. Clinton said H Bush had blood on his hands for doing trade with China, then goes ahead and trades with China.
There is corruption and I understand some levels of it will occur, but helping China is not OK.
Glad Pelosi has been consistent here.

 

[Trotsky]

Wow, I wasn't aware of any of this. Thanks for sharing.

This should present some crow (to certainly never be eaten) to Republican rubes who have claimed Pelosi is a Chinese shill.

With that said, while I appreciate Pelosi's prior activism and interest in international events, it should be pretty clear by now (imo) that the carrot is preferable to the stick in getting the CCP's technocrats to democratize and liberalize the country.

 

[IGIT]

TL;DR: The easiest thread I'll ever start because it requires so little actual analysis or knowledge. It's simply a matter of historical and political record, fact and reality. So, grab you favorite ice cream and take a stroll through Chinatown, this is a mere partial chronology of the most staunchly Anti-CCP politician in American history.

As you can see, that's a headline from 15 years ago. 15 years prior to that, Pelosi was literally - and illegally - protesting the regime (see this thread) in the middle of Tiananmen Square as a sitting US congresswoman 1991; she openly fought against both the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administration(s) to revoke China's "most favored nation" trade status; opposed permanent "normalized" relations with the country while America was getting deindustrialized and its light manufacturing offshored (see this thread too); was the most vocal opponent of and voted against the PNTR bill in 2000 that all but approved the CCP joining the WTO...

She wrote various Op-Eds in major newspapers denouncing CCP Presidents as tyrants when they made official state visits to the US; called for boycott of the opening ceremony of the 2008 Olympics; broke decorum for all the right reasons and met with pro-democracy dissidents while on official business to China as Speaker of the House while Obama was POTUS. Fuck, she even supported President Trump's policies, with the only caveat being a more comprehensive approach and united front of EU and East Asian allies as opposed to starting simultaneous trade wars with them.

The former stay-at-home mother of five who didn't get elected to Congress until she was nearly 50 years old rose to become the most powerful woman in the history of US politics. And as far as the CCP? She's baddest bitch to ever do it, more aggressive in her open hostility - "dozens of deliberate anti-China incidents" - than every cucked out of their mind, sell out US male politician there's ever been, on "both sides", bar none. What the fuck? Pelosi is the GOAT.

It's undeniable, folx.

Excerpts:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Feinstein-vs-Pelosi-Over-China-Issue-S-F-2977076.php

http://www.sfgate.com/hdn/hrlm/p/fastly_redirect.html?dm=https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pelosi-on-China-A-voice-in-the-global-wilderness-3082494.php

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/amp/Clinton-pushes-hard-for-China-to-join-WTO-3066678.php

http://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-apr-20-oe-pelosi20-story.html

http://pelosi.house.gov/news/press-...n-trump-administration-s-new-tariffs-on-china

hail Deorum,

ayup. i've said it before and i'll say it again; Nancy Pelosi is a badass. Paul Ryan was such a pale, effete shadow, compared to Mrs. Pelosi.

*muses*

there's a great piece in Time, which recounts when the Affordable Care Act was on the brink of defeat...it was like a scene right out of the West Wing.

Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel (Obama's Chief of Staff) had gone deep into the night in the White House "war room"....and they began to lose their nerve; they just didn't have the votes. they were advising Obama to rewrite the ACA and aim lower, for something more modest - just to salvage a small win.

Pelosi was absolutely having none of it.

Pelosi told the White House to rein in Emanuel and get him to stop pestering her members about his “eensy weensy bill.”

At a meeting in the Oval Office, Pelosi confronted the subject directly. “Mr. President, I know there are some on your staff who want to take the namby-pamby approach,” she said. “That’s unacceptable.”

Obama took her side. They were going to go for it.
https://time.com/5832330/nancy-pelosi-obamacare/

she's tough as nails...and she was right on China.

its just too late, now. that ship has really sailed.

*ponders*

i don't know if folks know this, but its not as if President Clinton dragged the congress, kicking and screaming, to agree to grant China permanent normal trade relations; three out of four Republicans voted in favor of the edict, along with one out of three Democrats.

that is to say, it was bipartisan.

- IGIT

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

This is what we need. Our politicians sticking it to China instead of us.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I'm still pissed about the whole hair salon scandal, therefore I'm going to disregard everything in the OP....


Almost as pissed about Obama's tan suit

 

[Oceanmachine]

Wow, I wasn't aware of any of this. Thanks for sharing.

This should present some crow (to certainly never be eaten) to Republican rubes who have claimed Pelosi is a Chinese shill.

With that said, while I appreciate Pelosi's prior activism and interest in international events, it should be pretty clear by now (imo) that the carrot is preferable to the stick in getting the CCP's technocrats to democratize and liberalize the country.

I dont get the analogy.

Pelosi has been America first regarding China. This decades of her anti China rhetoric and action is good. I do correct Republicans when they claim she is a shill. There are pro China democrat shills (Barbara Boxer, Feinstein, Harry Reid as I recall as well). This doesnt apply to her

 

[CatchnShoot]

I never really cared for Pelosi... but HOLY SHIT she's been right all along.

China is the fucking devil...... by that I mean the Chinese state, all the actual Chinese people I know are great (mind you they don't actually live in China...in fact they left the joint)
I may have to refine my viewpoint.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

God damn you, @Deorum
I was perfectly happy hating that harpy, and here you are complicating my comfort with these facts I'd happily managed to miss.

I hate crow. It's all stringy and gets stuck in my teeth.

Asshole.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Wow, I wasn't aware of any of this. Thanks for sharing.

This should present some crow (to certainly never be eaten) to Republican rubes who have claimed Pelosi is a Chinese shill.

With that said, while I appreciate Pelosi's prior activism and interest in international events, it should be pretty clear by now (imo) that the carrot is preferable to the stick in getting the CCP's technocrats to democratize and liberalize the country.

I think carrot nor stick have much effect. Hong Kong/Tibet/the Eastern Ladakh/Taiwan/The Xingjiang re-education centers for Uyghurs.
It's pretty clear that the Chinese government don't give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks. In terms of human rights, the gauge is right on E.

 

[CatchnShoot]

God damn you, @Deorum
I was perfectly happy hating that harpy, and here you are complicating my comfort with these facts I'd happily managed to miss.

I hate crow. It's all stringy and gets stuck in my teeth.

Asshole.

Dude, you've GOT to get a Sous Vide..... like fuckin' butter.

 

[Deorum]

I thought the anti-CCP rhetoric was just jumping on the recent trend

This is what we need. Our politicians sticking it to China instead of us.

Heh, she's the OG of that shit.

WTF I love Nancy now

Didn't know this. Makes me respect the crypt keeper a little more. Good on her.

God damn you, @Deorum
I was perfectly happy hating that harpy, and here you are complicating my comfort with these facts I'd happily managed to miss.

I hate crow. It's all stringy and gets stuck in my teeth.

Asshole.

I never really cared for Pelosi... but HOLY SHIT she's been right all along

Glad Pelosi has been consistent here

It gets better (albeit unrelated).

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/amp/Pelosi-calls-for-prosecution-of-violent-antifa-12162909.php

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi is calling for the prosecution of violent members of the group known as ANTIFA, or anti-fascists.

"Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts," Pelosi said in a statement. "The violent actions of people calling themselves Antifa deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted."

The San Francisco Democrat was quick to separate Antifa from the Democratic Party, telling The Denver Post's editorial board on Wednesday: "You're not talking about the far left of the Democratic Party — they're not even Democrats. A lot of them are socialist or anarchist or whatever."

 

[ElKarlo]

Heh, she's the OG of that shit.







It gets better (albeit unrelated).

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/amp/Pelosi-calls-for-prosecution-of-violent-antifa-12162909.php

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi is calling for the prosecution of violent members of the group known as ANTIFA, or anti-fascists.

"Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts," Pelosi said in astatement. "The violent actions of people calling themselves Antifa deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted."

The San Francisco Democrat was quick to separate Antifa from the Democratic Party, telling The Denver Post's editorial board on Wednesday: "You're not talking about the far left of the Democratic Party — they're not even Democrats. A lot of them are socialist or anarchist or whatever."

Interesting that she doesn’t show the honest part but presents herself on a much less honest way. It’s very weird

 

[KnightTemplar]

Fuck you, OP! Now I have to go back on the Dark Web and tell the hit man I hired to whack Nancy to stand down. And I won't even get my deposit back!

Joking aside, credit where it's due. I'll stand with anyone who stands against the CCP

 

[KeepingItReal]

So Nancy Pelosi is a fucking G! This is very interesting. We are united by our dislike for the CCP moreso than our like for anything else lol.