Name that throw

CODEMONKEY

u are exactly correct! Except the Morote Seoi nage before the Uchimata is an OGOSHI... Other than that.... Perfect.


I put the argument over at JudoForum: http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopic=25132&st=0

ahh, you are right, i thought he had a lapel grip for the throw, i can see now he has a grip around the back...

what about the second Tomoe Nage, is that named different since it is a slightly different variation from an over the back belt grip? obi tomoe nage :icon_conf
 
ahh, you are right, i thought he had a lapel grip for the throw, i can see now he has a grip around the back...

what about the second Tomoe Nage, is that named different since it is a slightly different variation from an over the back belt grip? obi tomoe nage :icon_conf

OHHHH That's Sumi Gaeshi.... I'll take that back

Hikikomi Gaeshi when the thrower holds the belt of faller, then Hikikomi Gaeshi, if you only hold the back of Uke, then it's Sumi Gaeshi

http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/hikikomigaeshi.htm


Or instead of learning all those crazy names, just call it a Sumi Gaeshi with a belt grip. :D
 
Back to the topic. Apparently the Judo gods have spoken and are saying it's neither. More onm this as it develops with links....
 
ah no-gi? wrestlers do a similar throw forget what they call it.

the wrestling version is called a shoulder roll, theres a girl on my team who does these really good, it doesnt require a whole lot of strength either.
 
I am calling it an ura nage variant Tani otaoshi has a totally different motion .

thats my opinion
 
the wrestling version is called a shoulder roll, theres a girl on my team who does these really good, it doesnt require a whole lot of strength either.

Its a nice technique, Udo Quellmalz pulled off his variant off the grip break a few times in the world championships or olympics. its controversial in judo, because if the arm is straight its considered an "armlock throw" and illegal but its fine if the arm is bent.

Out of curiosity any judoka know if rolling kimuras (sumi gaeshi with a ude garami grip) are legal in judo?
 
damn ck just blew my head up. I guess it is tani or ura nage? Good call foster :D
 
This is going to bug me forever. I would have said a var. of ura nage but you usually grab around the waist for URa nage. It is not tani otoshi not even close. Tani otoshi is a forwad attacking move, this is a rear technique. I can see the Sukui nage but he grabs behind rather than in front like a Suku. He also grabs the leg with the near hand not the far.

I almost looks like a Kata gurama varation the way he grabs the arm and leg.

Frustrating.
 
This is going to bug me forever. I would have said a var. of ura nage but you usually grab around the waist for URa nage. It is not tani otoshi not even close. Tani otoshi is a forwad attacking move, this is a rear technique. I can see the Sukui nage but he grabs behind rather than in front like a Suku. He also grabs the leg with the near hand not the far.

I almost looks like a Kata gurama varation the way he grabs the arm and leg.

Frustrating.

I think your thinking of tai otoshi when you say forward attacking move,
whether or not this is tani otoshi, tani is still a rearward throw.
 
damn ck just blew my head up. I guess it is tani or ura nage? Good call foster :D

a sukui nage is traditionally done with your arm around the waist the move you see there is a varation of a tani otoshi ( in the video) .

its far from a ura nage a ura nage is basically what barnett did to yoshida or what fedor did to heath herring way back when .

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/sukuinage.htm the scoop throw

traditional tani otoshi http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/taniotoshi.htm i dont think you where at the club the night i was showing kendall that form of tani otoshi the caramillo brothers do the tani otoshi like that and i have shown bill it and agrees thats its a variation of a tani otoshi

and i want to throw a ura nage in just cuz its a bad ass move http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/uranage.htm
 
^I prefer to think it's tani rather than ura nage too, but ck says it can be either.
 
/\ iam just going by bill and hes hardcore kodakan what he says go in my book when it comes to judo .

the throw in the video imo is a tani otoshi its from what i have seen in video's and books and what bill says .

i understand the sukui nage remark but theres no arm comming around the waist .


iam thinking way to much in a kata aspect cuz in about a year i want to go for my brown belt .
 
I'm telling you guys it's a Tani otoshi variation. This was discussed heavily between a bunch of high ranking Judo experts. Dave and Dan Camarillo do all their Tani Otoshi's identically to this way. One expert on a JudoForum thread about the video clip said about the move on this clip:

"Tani Otoshi - a variation. This is how you do it. Tori/Uke right-handed normal grip. Tori grabs the left wrist of Uke which is holding the right sleeve of Tori, and pull towards Tori a bit downward for Kuzushi of Uke in the left-front direction. Uke is forced to step forward with his left foot. Tori advances his right foot a bit behind Uke`s left foot with the left knee well bent (but the back UPRIGHT). Tori pulls the left sleeve of Uke and holds it tight attached to the know of own belt and insert the right hand from behind to hold the left leg of Uke. In this position, Tori once lifts Uke up and throw backward in a manner of self-sacrifice. Done!! "






I know that many may think it's Sukui but I wish I could find the link of this discussion... There was a very detailed explanation as to why it wasn't. There was also someone doing this throw in a high level comp. and the judges called it Tani Otoshi... Lemme try and find the thread.

I HATE to argue with ChinaMan, I usually agree with everything he says.

its tani otoshi , he missed me showing it to our sensi the night i brought in my gurellia jiu jitsu book haha .
 
Its a nice technique, Udo Quellmalz pulled off his variant off the grip break a few times in the world championships or olympics. its controversial in judo, because if the arm is straight its considered an "armlock throw" and illegal but its fine if the arm is bent.

Out of curiosity any judoka know if rolling kimuras (sumi gaeshi with a ude garami grip) are legal in judo?

you know i had people tell me it isnt but also have been told from some one it is ( and he just came from a ref clinic )
 
I think your thinking of tai otoshi when you say forward attacking move,
whether or not this is tani otoshi, tani is still a rearward throw.

For Tani otoshi, you actually step forward and drop down. You body weight moves forward. At no time do you turn around and fall back like in the video. And I always thought that the leg behind Uke's legs were a key part of the throw. http://http://judoinfo.com/images/nauta/tanitosh.gif

The taijutsu guys have a term, henka, that means interpertation but is also used in the context of "I made it up". I think this is what is going on here. It is clearly not a classical tani otoshi, sukui nage or ura nage. It is henka, ie something different then the classical techniques.
 
For Tani otoshi, you actually step forward and drop down. You body weight moves forward. At no time do you turn around and fall back like in the video. And I always thought that the leg behind Uke's legs were a key part of the throw. http://http://judoinfo.com/images/nauta/tanitosh.gif

The taijutsu guys have a term, henka, that means interpertation but is also used in the context of "I made it up". I think this is what is going on here. It is clearly not a classical tani otoshi, sukui nage or ura nage. It is henka, ie something different then the classical techniques.

yeah judo throws static very often dont look the same when being applyed
 
For Tani otoshi, you actually step forward and drop down. You body weight moves forward. At no time do you turn around and fall back like in the video. And I always thought that the leg behind Uke's legs were a key part of the throw. http://http://judoinfo.com/images/nauta/tanitosh.gif

The taijutsu guys have a term, henka, that means interpertation but is also used in the context of "I made it up". I think this is what is going on here. It is clearly not a classical tani otoshi, sukui nage or ura nage. It is henka, ie something different then the classical techniques.

ah sorry i thought you meant by forward attack that you throw uke forward.
 
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