Drew Foster
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This is definitively Tani Otoshi - pg 87 Best Judo
Yep same move. I'm looking at it now.
This is definitively Tani Otoshi - pg 87 Best Judo
CODEMONKEY
u are exactly correct! Except the Morote Seoi nage before the Uchimata is an OGOSHI... Other than that.... Perfect.
I put the argument over at JudoForum: http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopic=25132&st=0
ahh, you are right, i thought he had a lapel grip for the throw, i can see now he has a grip around the back...
what about the second Tomoe Nage, is that named different since it is a slightly different variation from an over the back belt grip? obi tomoe nage :icon_conf
ah no-gi? wrestlers do a similar throw forget what they call it.
CODEMONKEY
u are exactly correct! Except the Morote Seoi nage before the Uchimata is an OGOSHI... Other than that.... Perfect.
I put the argument over at JudoForum: http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopic=25132&st=0
the wrestling version is called a shoulder roll, theres a girl on my team who does these really good, it doesnt require a whole lot of strength either.
This is going to bug me forever. I would have said a var. of ura nage but you usually grab around the waist for URa nage. It is not tani otoshi not even close. Tani otoshi is a forwad attacking move, this is a rear technique. I can see the Sukui nage but he grabs behind rather than in front like a Suku. He also grabs the leg with the near hand not the far.
I almost looks like a Kata gurama varation the way he grabs the arm and leg.
Frustrating.
damn ck just blew my head up. I guess it is tani or ura nage? Good call foster
I'm telling you guys it's a Tani otoshi variation. This was discussed heavily between a bunch of high ranking Judo experts. Dave and Dan Camarillo do all their Tani Otoshi's identically to this way. One expert on a JudoForum thread about the video clip said about the move on this clip:
"Tani Otoshi - a variation. This is how you do it. Tori/Uke right-handed normal grip. Tori grabs the left wrist of Uke which is holding the right sleeve of Tori, and pull towards Tori a bit downward for Kuzushi of Uke in the left-front direction. Uke is forced to step forward with his left foot. Tori advances his right foot a bit behind Uke`s left foot with the left knee well bent (but the back UPRIGHT). Tori pulls the left sleeve of Uke and holds it tight attached to the know of own belt and insert the right hand from behind to hold the left leg of Uke. In this position, Tori once lifts Uke up and throw backward in a manner of self-sacrifice. Done!! "
I know that many may think it's Sukui but I wish I could find the link of this discussion... There was a very detailed explanation as to why it wasn't. There was also someone doing this throw in a high level comp. and the judges called it Tani Otoshi... Lemme try and find the thread.
I HATE to argue with ChinaMan, I usually agree with everything he says.
Its a nice technique, Udo Quellmalz pulled off his variant off the grip break a few times in the world championships or olympics. its controversial in judo, because if the arm is straight its considered an "armlock throw" and illegal but its fine if the arm is bent.
Out of curiosity any judoka know if rolling kimuras (sumi gaeshi with a ude garami grip) are legal in judo?
I think your thinking of tai otoshi when you say forward attacking move,
whether or not this is tani otoshi, tani is still a rearward throw.
For Tani otoshi, you actually step forward and drop down. You body weight moves forward. At no time do you turn around and fall back like in the video. And I always thought that the leg behind Uke's legs were a key part of the throw. http://http://judoinfo.com/images/nauta/tanitosh.gif
The taijutsu guys have a term, henka, that means interpertation but is also used in the context of "I made it up". I think this is what is going on here. It is clearly not a classical tani otoshi, sukui nage or ura nage. It is henka, ie something different then the classical techniques.
For Tani otoshi, you actually step forward and drop down. You body weight moves forward. At no time do you turn around and fall back like in the video. And I always thought that the leg behind Uke's legs were a key part of the throw. http://http://judoinfo.com/images/nauta/tanitosh.gif
The taijutsu guys have a term, henka, that means interpertation but is also used in the context of "I made it up". I think this is what is going on here. It is clearly not a classical tani otoshi, sukui nage or ura nage. It is henka, ie something different then the classical techniques.
ah sorry i thought you meant by forward attack that you throw uke forward.