My take on Jon Jones and this persecution

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Right off rip, I don't particularly care for JBJ. I don't necessarily think he's the p4p greatest either. I honestly believe that if you could magically shorten his arms by six inches on both sides, he would get decimated within two fights. He has learned to master his physique....a strong/massive/long upper-body, (where most of his weight is) and his skinny little legs...which aren't energy expensive and he can swing around for various kicks with little effort.
His long arms keeps his opponent at bay to stop the incoming legs kicks (which would otherwise cripple him) and also makes it tougher to get takedowns...which is in my opinion the way to beat JBJ...flurry to the inside with punches and then land demoralizing leg kicks like Barboza followed by takedowns with GNP.

That being said. Jon won the Gus fight, that is without question. So why do I want to see it again? Since when does every single UFC fight demand an immediate rematch? This is boring to me. I would much rather see DC fight Jones without a doubt. I want to see Jones fall, and I think DC could win a victory by wrestling and laying on him.

Jones looked real good against glover, and I think if he fought Gus again it would be a carbon copy of the original with the same outcome. You can't beat Jones in a standup trading match, because he will clinch and slice you with elbows. DC on the other hand....much more exciting fight.

I pray to the gods that Gus doesn't get a rematch...I would rather see Rashad get another crack at Jones honestly....especially after seeing him obliterate Sonnen like that.

UFC give Jones what he wants. These champions only fight a couple times a year and I don't want to see reruns. I want to see DC slam bones like he did the old man!

Long story short: That was the hardest fight of JBJ's career, literally limping out of the octagon like he got hit by a bus. So why would he want to do that again just a few months later? He wouldn't. I wouldn't either,....nor would you. Why would you risk your career/title/money on a quick rematch that you already know is gonna be a stylistic striking match covered in blood that will gimp you up in the hospital for a month?, .... or you can fight someone new that is fresh from surgery, has shorter reach and has never fought you before. Just on a money standpoint I get it. Its not cowardice.. hold the belt longer you make more money (and I hate Jones mind you).
 
You make some good points but let me tell you, I was there and a rematch should happen

1. Because great fights can make great rematches.

2. Far as I am concerned Round 2 of that fight is a toss up.

As I said you made good points but you are actually telling me you wouldnt want to see a rematch?
 
elbowsandwiches said:
Right off rip, I don't particularly care for JBJ. I don't necessarily think he's the p4p greatest either. I honestly believe that if you could magically shorten his arms by six inches on both sides, he would get decimated within two fights.
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If you take Jones' talent and put it into any persons body @ LHW he would dominate anyone because he's talented, not because of how he's built.

The guy just knows how to make the most of what he's got. If he was a short, stocky guy like DC, he would still be destroying people in the LHW division.

Not sure why every person on Sherdog has to make excuses for why a fighter is/isn't successful in the UFC.

Also, if Jones was shorter and had shorter reach, he'd probably be able to add KO power to his arsenal.
 
He won the fight by the judges, somehow. But everyone who seen the fight disagrees with the decision.
 
A lot of people can't just watch a fight. They need to identify with a fighter. Pick a side. JBJ doesn't give a lot of people anything to latch onto and identify with. Doesn't fit an easily understood stereotype. Isn't humble yet isn't overtly cocky, yet you can tell the cockiness is brewing but doesn't let it all the way out for you to see.....but you can tell it's there. He's neither forthcoming as one way or the other but he keeps kicking peoples asses in the ring. People like shit simple or easily understandable. So with JBJ they reject it. If he did everything people wanted people would say he's trying too hard to please and is fake. If he does what's in his best interest you get the current reception.
 
Nobody talks about it but this shit is literally playing out exactly like the buildup to Silva/Sonnen 2.

Dominant champ has toughest title defense of career and pulls out a close victory in the end. The loser is suddenly a new hero/world beater for the masses who hate the champ and want nothing more than their new hero to get another shot and this time finally be the one to dethrone the evil hated champion.

This is followed by the Majority of sherdog hating on Silva/Jones everyday calling him a cheat/coward/fake humble etc. All the while praising and worshipping the loser Gus/Sonnen for every bit of shit they talk to the champ calling him out. Praying for the champ to lose to their new found hero.

I don't think it could be any clearer what's really going on here.
 
XIIK said:
but you are actually telling me you wouldnt want to see a rematch?
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Yes I would like to see a rematch maybe down the line, but right now I want to see Bones crying, losing his gold after DC does a hulk Hogan body slam... now, not next year.
 
Yeah, why would Jones ever want to risk his title?
 
He's giving himself lots of time to prepare for Gus.
 
elbowsandwiches said:
Yes I would like to see a rematch maybe down the line, but right now I want to see Bones crying, losing his gold after DC does a hulk Hogan body slam... now, not next year.
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well, you're in luck either way, bc bones is currently crying. DC may end up being a world beater, but right now there's too many people on the hype wagon. almost all his big wins have been against fighters well past their prime. i still need convincing. i wanna see him and rumble go toe to toe to determine #1 contender. and Rashad being a better fight than Gus? please..
 
Agreed wholeheartedly that JBJ's body structure is the sole reason he has been a dominant champ. His entire game plan depends on staying outside his opponent's reach and the fact that he can strike them at a distance in which they can't yet strike him - hell he can throw elbows strikes at a distance where his opponent might just hope to reach him with a punch.

This isn't to say he doesn't have good skills - he does. He's talented. But put him in a normal-length frame and he'd be no better than the average talented LHW and definitely not a dominant champ.

His struggle and only marginal victory over Gus bears this out. I would say the same, by the way, for Gus - his body structure has all of the natural structural advantages of Jones over everyone else in the division (except JBJ obviously).

I'm 6'2" - if I went out and beat up a 5'9" guy would anyone call me talented? No - they'd call me bigger. Same applies to Jones.

I give him credit for being a talented fighter. But his current dominance relies solely on the fact that he's dodging the HW division and bigger, more equal body structures that would come with it.
 
elbowsandwiches said:
Long story short: That was the hardest fight of JBJ's career, literally limping out of the octagon like he got hit by a bus. So why would he want to do that again just a few months later? He wouldn't. I wouldn't either,....nor would you. Why would you risk your career/title/money on a quick rematch that you already know is gonna be a stylistic striking match covered in blood that will gimp you up in the hospital for a month?, .... or you can fight someone new that is fresh from surgery, has shorter reach and has never fought you before. Just on a money standpoint I get it. Its not cowardice.. hold the belt longer you make more money (and I hate Jones mind you).
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So how is trying to avoid the risk of getting beat up and losing the title not cowardice?
 
I agree with most of it, while I understand why Jones is hesitant to take the Gus fight the reality is he's the UFC defacto champ since Andy/GSP have fallen. If you want to be that guy, and make no mistake about it JBJ want to be that guy, you'll need to take on all comers. A champ making excuses and dodging fight is absolutely disgraceful for any champion in combat sports, add on that Jones mocks MMA fans and the UFC and I think he's seriously losing his shit.

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Nuclear Fallout said:
He won the fight by the judges, somehow. But everyone who seen the fight disagrees with the decision.
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Lol right dude. Except for the fact that there are just as many people who said jones won. It was a close fight regardless of who people think won. I wish the Jones haters would at least admit that.
 
elbowsandwiches said:
Right off rip, I don't particularly care for JBJ. I don't necessarily think he's the p4p greatest either. I honestly believe that if you could magically shorten his arms by six inches on both sides, he would get decimated within two fights. He has learned to master his physique....a strong/massive/long upper-body, (where most of his weight is) and his skinny little legs...which aren't energy expensive and he can swing around for various kicks with little effort.
His long arms keeps his opponent at bay to stop the incoming legs kicks (which would otherwise cripple him) and also makes it tougher to get takedowns...which is in my opinion the way to beat JBJ...flurry to the inside with punches and then land demoralizing leg kicks like Barboza followed by takedowns with GNP.

That being said. Jon won the Gus fight, that is without question. So why do I want to see it again? Since when does every single UFC fight demand an immediate rematch? This is boring to me. I would much rather see DC fight Jones without a doubt. I want to see Jones fall, and I think DC could win a victory by wrestling and laying on him.

Jones looked real good against glover, and I think if he fought Gus again it would be a carbon copy of the original with the same outcome. You can't beat Jones in a standup trading match, because he will clinch and slice you with elbows. DC on the other hand....much more exciting fight.

I pray to the gods that Gus doesn't get a rematch...I would rather see Rashad get another crack at Jones honestly....especially after seeing him obliterate Sonnen like that.

UFC give Jones what he wants. These champions only fight a couple times a year and I don't want to see reruns. I want to see DC slam bones like he did the old man!

Long story short: That was the hardest fight of JBJ's career, literally limping out of the octagon like he got hit by a bus. So why would he want to do that again just a few months later? He wouldn't. I wouldn't either,....nor would you. Why would you risk your career/title/money on a quick rematch that you already know is gonna be a stylistic striking match covered in blood that will gimp you up in the hospital for a month?, .... or you can fight someone new that is fresh from surgery, has shorter reach and has never fought you before. Just on a money standpoint I get it. Its not cowardice.. hold the belt longer you make more money (and I hate Jones mind you).
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I'll never understand why MMA fans hate amazing MMA fighters. It's just weird.
 
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