My strategy: Open guard pass to Kesagatame and armbar variations

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Senshi, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Senshi

    Senshi Brown Belt

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    So this is something that i've been experimenting with lately. A lot of guys in my dojo are big spider guard players. It's caused me to really concentrate on getting my grips first before they can get theirs (as we all should be doing always:icon_lol: ). I was losing the battle a lot up until recently.

    This is a pass I picked up from Gerbil's youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/GGBJJ?feature=watch)

    At first, I was pulling their arms and legs almost straight up and my opponent would still be able to slip their leg and and get spider guard. It's worth mentioning to keep their leg stretched away from them so they can't do that as easily :icon_idea



    For a while I've been too lax and slow with my open guard passes, especially against spider guard players. And when I do that, they're getting grips before I do( or at the very least I'm standing there fighting off grips for the greater portion of the match NO MORE :icon_evil ! I say)I like this pass cause it's quick and gets you into a position that offers you a lot of options.




    Now, I'm not the best at KOB and I don't really feel comfortable using it for too long, more of a transitional position for me. So from KOB I transition into kesagatame (scarf hold). I feel much more comfortable from this side control variation. At least for me I can be much heavier here and there are many subs that are to my liking that can be applied from here :cool:



    I've been using this a lot recently and even if I can't catch them with the armbar (maybe they pull their arm out if it's not tight enough) I've had some success turning it into a triangle (inverted if I'm not mistaken). Gerbil makes a joke about it but the hips being back is paramount. It becomes a lazy man's armbar if you're throwing that leg over when you're higher up near their armpit.


    As you may or may not have seen, Stephan Kesting and Emily Kwok posted an "ambush armbar" video.




    After seeing it I've been trying to put this in the chain of attacks. As of now I've only been able to get it on the lower blues or white belts in my gym.


    Now, I guess my questions are...

    1. How do you feel about this? If someone was doing these to you in a roll, how would you counter them? E-rolling if you will.

    2. Do you use kesagatame? Do you see anything else that can be applied? Have you had success with something else in this area?

    3. Anything else. Open for discussion.

    Looking forward to seeing what F12 has in mind
     
  2. Senshi

    Senshi Brown Belt

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    hip bump sweep to get some discussion on this
     
  3. Calibur

    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    I use that less less gatame a lot. The armbar too, but I usually use it to set up americanas.

    Because americanas are strength moves and I like using strength!
     
  4. Senshi

    Senshi Brown Belt

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    Can't tell if Calibur is being sarcastic or not :wink:

    When you say the armbar, do you mean the step over or the "ambush"

    I try as hard as I can to keep my hips off the mat and press most of my weight into their chest and then as I take that big step up they take a deep breath and then it's locked around their neck.

    Are most of you guys traditional side control users?
     
  5. Sohei

    Sohei Its just a flu bro!

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    Strenf is da bomb. I love meatheadin suckas into Americanas.
     
  6. Town Biz

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    I've been thinking of adding knee slide pass to kesa gatame. Still perfecting my knee slide game to start drilling the combination yet though.
     
  7. Senshi

    Senshi Brown Belt

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    I've used that with some success too. I've found for my body type and the types of guys that are at my gym, kesa is my go to side control.

    Next time you're in kesa try the step over armbar, it's wonderful!
     
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    Town Biz Blue Belt

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    Curious, what is your finishing percentage with kesa? I have Ryan Halls instructional(50% off deal) but still working on other stuff before really delving into it.I never was good at finishing kesa,but its really easy to get into the position and hoping my issues are an easy fix.
     
  9. Vitamin C

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    I think you are confusing kesa gatame with kata gatame.
    One is the sit out side control, the other is the head and arm choke.
     
  10. Town Biz

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    Yes...I am.My bad...
     
  11. Calibur

    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    Isn't it better to not be sure? :icon_chee

    Yeah, I'm talking about the step over armbar. I'm also a big fan of both kesas. REcently I've been bored in class so I've been using Kesa gatame and seeing what I can do with it. I wanna see if I can make it something viable to teach BJJ guys.
     
  12. Senshi

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    If you guys aren't using these, is there a reason? What roadblocks have you come into contact with?

    I'm starting to get the feeling the 12 is for only about a dozen or so people who actually train here.
     
  13. RJ Green

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    I use kesa a lot because, yeah, judo. But it's a great position with a lot of easy subs. If I feel like smothering someone/generally being a dick, but not enough of a dick for neon belly, its this.

    Immediately available is stuffing the arm between your legs for the straight armbar. You'll see Ronda do this quite a bit. Its awesome.

    the other easy one is Ezekiel choke. You don't even need to let go of the trapped arm - just hold it there with your elbow while you grab your sleeve.

    Howdy choke is also right there, just move the arm.

    I've been playing with shin-in armbar from here, and keeping the arm behind my back rather than putting it back in front of me. Super tight, almost too easy to hit.

    But,

    90% of the time im not going for the pin, i push the trapped arm down, roll into side control, and attack americana on the far side. Its basically a crucifix from the top, and they can't defend the americana because your ass/body is in the way.

    tldnr - not just for pinning, all sorts of winning.
     
  14. Senshi

    Senshi Brown Belt

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    It's been wating there for me and I didn't even realize it! i'm going to add this into my repertoire

    I don't do Americanas, they're strength moves :cool:

    I also use Kesa for the spazzing newbies at my gym. I let them squirm and expend all their energy. Not even pressing too hard but just let them fizzle out a little and then work on what I feel like.
     
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    haters gon hate
     
  16. Senshi

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    I was just being facetious and trying to lure Calibur out of his cave

    I'm a big fan of the americana into kata gatame and vice versa
     
  17. Calibur

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    I'm assuming you mean kesa gatame.

    I treat modified kesa like a transitional pin. I don't stay there very long so it's never a real goal.
     

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