My opinion of Chael from Metamoris

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Ok, this will probably catch a lot of heat.. but here goes:


I think Chael did very well. I was surprised by him. Granted, he just stayed in the guard and didn't get submitted, but against Galvao, that's saying a lot. He did well defensively and really only made one error ( The common wrestling error of giving up his back ). Even one Galvao got his back, Chael still fought off the rear choke.. and at a few points, it was pretty damn deep.

Yes, in the end he got caught ( Which was expected ) and yes if he hadn't made that mistake he would've just sat in guard and defended and probably not attacked at all... but against probably the best grappler around right now, all things considered he did quite well.

Let the hate commence.
 
This isn't the heavies section, and this thread is stupid.
 
right, Galvao would have done the same thing if there were strikes. same gameplan. and Chael has always done AWESOME against high level jiu jitsu guys in MMA
 
Only playing half of the game (defensive), when you're a very high level grappler/athlete with a pretty good size advantage is not that impressive to me. Probably the best plan he could have used but I'm much more impressed with Galvao.
 
Kind of hard to gauge someone's BJJ skill against Galvao. Andre makes most BJJ players look just as bad if not worse than Chael.
 
The question should be, how did Galvao do against a guy, roided up to the gills.
 
Black Gi said:
The question should be, how did Galvao do against a guy, roided up to the gills.
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How many tests has Barnett failed at this point?

Glover was on here a few years ago discussing his own steroid usage.

Let's not throw stones in glass houses.
 
He did exactly what was predicted. Got the takedown, held guard, made a mistake and got tapped.

There is no way to view it is a surprisingly good performance because whether he survived for 5 minutes or 15 minutes is irrelevant. BJJ is a patient game. Galvao attempted a few submissions from the bottom, saw that Chael had a good strategy and base, and then modified his attack. He forced Sonnen to act, and then took maximum advantage of those mistakes.

To me, the match looked exactly how I expected it to look, with Chael imposing his strength and wrestling until he made a predictable mistake. Anyone who has followed his career knows that this is a recurring pattern.

A draw would have been a massively impressive result for Sonnen. But a loss is a loss, whether it happens in 30 seconds or with 10 seconds left on the clock makes very little difference. Especially when you are talking about a high-level wrestler like sonnen, there is no way to view a submission loss as a moral victory.

Edit: The one very positive thing to say for Sonnen is that he was willing to engage, unlike Brendan Schaub. He went out there and represented wrestling well, so in that sense you can call it a good performance.
 
Black Gi said:
Alright, lets pretend it's not an issue.
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I'm not suggesting that we ignore the usage of PEDs in grappling. I just would not bet the house that any of the guys on that card are totally spotless in that regard. Seems silly to single out Chael.
 
Black Gi said:
The question should be, how did Galvao do against a guy, roided up to the gills.
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galvao is roided up the gills as well you are delusional if you think not

love how he was going on about technique over size when he has the most overly muscled frame going... abusing more then sonnen id say

made him gas vs ryron too
 
brendan raedy said:
I'm not suggesting that we ignore the usage of PEDs in grappling. I just would not bet the house that any of the guys on that card are totally spotless in that regard. Seems silly to single out Chael.
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It would seem silly to overlook the fact that Chael has just recently been forced to retire from MMA due to being popped with a fresh dose of EPO and HGH just pumped into his system.
 
AwesomePossum1 said:
A draw would have been a massively impressive result for Sonnen. But a loss is a loss, whether it happens in 30 seconds or with 10 seconds left on the clock makes very little difference. Especially when you are talking about a high-level wrestler like sonnen, there is no way to view a submission loss as a moral victory.
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I don't see how a guy with Chael's athletic pedigree would sign up for a competition hoping for a draw.

"You don't fight just for fight, if you're going to do that you might as well stay home. You fight for win." Saulo
 
AwesomePossum1 said:
To me, the match looked exactly how I expected it to look, with Chael imposing his strength and wrestling until he made a predictable mistake. Anyone who has followed his career knows that this is a recurring pattern.

A draw would have been a massively impressive result for Sonnen. But a loss is a loss, whether it happens in 30 seconds or with 10 seconds left on the clock makes very little difference. Especially when you are talking about a high-level wrestler like sonnen, there is no way to view a submission loss as a moral victory.
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I'm not calling it a victory, and yes he did exactly what we all expected. But he lasted longer than I gave him credit for, and overall I was impressed. He defended back attacks for a few minutes before getting caught, and granted he looked lost as to how to get Galvao off his back, but I think somebody said it earlier:

Galvao makes high level BJJ guys looks like kids.

For a guy with little true BJJ experience to go in there and last 15 minutes with Galvao ( Even though he played conservative defense the whole time ) I think he did pretty well. Earned my respect on the topic. ( And yes, I'm very glad it didn't turn into a Schaub fiasco ).
 
Black Gi said:
It would seem silly to overlook the fact that Chael has just recently been forced to retire from MMA due to being popped with a fresh dose of EPO and HGH just pumped into his system.

So Galvalo had his work cut out.
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Barnett was forced out of the UFC for the exact same reasons. From there he went to Japan where their contracts specifically informed fighters they would NOT be drug tested. Why not talk about that?

I do not know Andre Galvao and do not want to make any baseless accusations. If I am way off I really apologize, I don't want to drag the guy's name through the mud. But is he really the one you would want to pick as your anti-PED role model?
 
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