my favor to Sherdog (bet it all on Charles)

[Credo]

20K, what did you move, a Tesla battery factory?

 

[drbolony]

I mean i mainly agree with your take, but how in the hell is comparing FKL and Chandler stylistically an isult to Chandler. FKL despite his recently rough fights, is still a solid fighter and its not like Chandler has never lost a fight. And before people jump me, im not saying that current Chandler is on the same level as current FKL, because he clearly posses some skills FKL doesnt. I just dont see the insult tho. Chandler is a decent fighter but people on here act like hes the next Khabib.

Never said that man, you're in your feelings cause I'm speaking my opinion. I never said Chandler was next Khabib, I said it was insulting to Chandler to compare them, mostly because of their current situations. Chandler is about to fight for the title and Kevin Lee is harassing Mike Perry for a fight, lol. The only thing they have in common is that they're wrestlers, but their styles are nothing alike and Chandler is a better striker with real explosive power.

I don't get caught up in narratives, I say what I see.

 

[Dick Niaz030]

Chael picked Oliveira iirc

So it's safe to bet the basement on Chandler

 

[DoctorDeelon]

Unfortunately I was just involved in a move as expensive as it gets. Roughly 20K. By the way... don't ever use "ISLAND MOVERS" at Hawaii. A complete and utter shit/ripoff company.

Anyway, back to what I was saying. Just blew 20K so I'm light on money now. If I had any, I'd certainly put a 1K bet on Charles. Due to my current financial handicap, I have instead chosen to try and do you a favor to convince you to make the free money on Charles. Charles is now at -134... that is INSANE. Here is why:

1) The PR gap is in full swing helping you to bet on Charles
You saw it bumping Conor's odds when he boxed Floyd despite that being a joke. You saw it bumping Anderson's odds against Weidman despite Weidman having an obvious style advantage to anyone who knew what they were watching. Now you're seeing it to a guy who has had 1 UFC fight and his history of setbacks being erased for this bullshit narrative. You'd think Will Brooks never existed thanks to the Dana White privilege at work here.

2) The knowledge gap is in full swing helping you to bet on Charles
Chandler KOd his last opponent, therefore he's Rumble with punching power. Chandler is a wrestler on paper, therefore his TDD is perfect. Again... you'd think Will Brooks never existed. Charles can take him down and reign hellfire from on top. The fight analysis being applied to this match-up is frankly LAZY. Lazy ass breakdowns like that being pushed left, right, and center to the viewing populace at large = even better odds for Charles.

3) The style gap is in full swing helping you to bet on Charles
If Chandler stays on the outside he gets hit with Oliveira's rangy shots. If he goes inside he gets out-worked in the clinch. If he goes for a TD he gets subbed, swept, or out-scrambled. Other than UFC marketing quoting Chandler that his style is "anti-BJJ" (it isn't) or UFC marketing acting like every shot he throws flattens opponents (it doesn't) there is no logical reason to think he has ANY advantage.

In short, this is tailor-made easy money for betting on Charles. Better technique, more avenues to victory, being undersold by the company, and perfectly set up to finish Chandler within 3 rounds. You're welcome for the free money guys.

You probably spent 20k on male escorts

 

[Jojomojo]

Never said that man, you're in your feelings cause I'm speaking my opinion. I never said Chandler was next Khabib, I said it was insulting to Chandler to compare them, mostly because of their current situations. Chandler is about to fight for the title and Kevin Lee is harassing Mike Perry for a fight, lol. The only thing they have in common is that they're wrestlers, but their styles are nothing alike and Chandler is a better striker with real explosive power.

I don't get caught up in narratives, I say what I see.

I didnt mean to insult or annoy you, was just an honest question. I mean FKL used to fight for the title too and if you dont get caught up in narratives, you will see that Oliveiras road to the title was a little bit harder than Chandlers. Like i said, i just dont see the insult comparing two elite fighters stylistically, even if one of them is doing a lot better atm. It would be a little bit like calling a comparison between Vettori and Weidman an isult (even if the situation of both is quite different)

 

[Dionysian]

It's not "lazy" to believe Charles can fold, he has a history of it and hasn't faced enough adversity in his current streak to prove he's overcome these short comings. Chandler is not like anyone on Charles' current streak, the closest being Kevin Lee, but that's an insult to Chandler. He will put Charles in bad spots with his power and Charles will have to prove he's forged the metal to persevere in those positions.

Don't be fooled by Charles' improved offense, his defense is still lacking and Chandler has lights out power. Don't be surprised to see Charles eat clean shots to the head in exchanges. I'm not saying Charles can't win and that this fight isn't close to 50/50, but you're asking people to throw money at this like its Nunes x Cyborg or something.

This is insane. Lee likely outgrapples Chandler, and you're acting like it is an insult to even compare the two. I have nothing against Chandler personally... seems like a nice enough guy... but it is exactly this sort of mentality that has pushed the odds to even and make Charles such a good bet.

You probably spent 20k on male escorts

I'm sure this sounded really clever in your head before you posted ha

 

[drbolony]

This. Great post. I'm a Oliveira fan but nothing says on his current streak he just get favorable match ups and hasn't really evolved and fixed his holes like the narrative that's being pushed is. And honestly I had Kevin Lee up 2 rounds on Oliveria then he gassed hard. And imo that wasn't Lee beating his ass and Oliveria having to survive adversity and dig deep but more so Lee just controlling Oliveira.

I'm of the mindset that Chandler's pressure and power will revert Oliveira back to this old ways of mentally shutting down and crumbling.

And honestly I want Chandler to call out Tony while Dustin and McGregor try and squeeze money out of the fans.

Same here I don't like shitting on Charles, he seems like a great dude and he's the type of all action fighter we all love. That said I think the narrative you see online about him being this upgraded 2.0 like Conor is ridiculous. To me he just looks like any other grappler who walked into Kings and found confidence in their hands (I know Charles isn't at Kings). Kind of like my man Dariush, he's not getting respect for his hands from Roy Jones Jr anytime soon, but he's willing get in their and mix it up similar to Charles, using what works for them to pressure and get them into the grappling exchanges they're looking for.

I saw similar in the Kevin Lee fight but the fanbase in enamored with finishes, so the narrative quickly became "Charles 2.0".

Same man, I just want to see how Charles handles any form of adversity and overcome it, if he can ill be ready to coronate Oliviera 2.0. I like that Tony x Chandler fight, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm more interested in the Gaethje match up.

 

[drbolony]

This is insane. Lee likely outgrapples Chandler, and you're acting like it is an insult to even compare the two. I have nothing against Chandler personally... seems like a nice enough guy... but it is exactly this sort of mentality that has pushed the odds to even and make Charles such a good bet.

I'm sure this sounded really clever in your head before you posted ha

Never said that man, you're in your feelings cause I'm speaking my opinion. I never said Chandler was next Khabib, I said it was insulting to Chandler to compare them, mostly because of their current situations. Chandler is about to fight for the title and Kevin Lee is harassing Mike Perry for a fight, lol. The only thing they have in common is that they're wrestlers, but their styles are nothing alike and Chandler is a better striker with real explosive power.

I don't get caught up in narratives, I say what I see.

You must have missed this.

I didnt mean to insult or annoy you, was just an honest question. I mean FKL used to fight for the title too and if you dont get caught up narratives, you will see that Oliveiras road to the title was a little bit harder than Chandlers. Like i said, i just dont see the insult comparing too elite fighters stylistically, even if one of them is doing a lot better atm. It would be a little bit like calling a comparison between Vettori and Weidman an isult (even if the situation of both is quite different)

It's not that deep fam. It was an honest question, but you framed it in a way where you made my claims seem like hyperbole, hence the response.

 

[Rdude92]

Unless the movers were girls with huge tits doing the work then you overpaid

 

[Dionysian]

20K, what did you move, a Tesla battery factory?

Unless the movers were girls with huge tits doing the work then you overpaid

20K to move in total. Not 20K to have movers pick up shit inside a house one time lol. Every step was (largely) fine except those assholes I singled out in the OP.

There's a container going across the ocean, trucking companies, shipping animals, registering shit in a new state, cleaning charges, car costs, etc etc.

 

[Flying omoplata]

I've only made two other bet threads in my post history. Weidman-Anderson I to be a finish for Chris within 3 rounds + Conor-Khabib where I posted my 800$ bet slip for Khabib.

So far, so good. So no worries... free non-jinxed money.

i will trust you but only put a quid on it

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Same here I don't like shitting on Charles, he seems like a great dude and he's the type of all action fighter we all love. That said I think the narrative you see online about him being this upgraded 2.0 like Conor is ridiculous. To me he just looks like any other grappler who walked into Kings and found confidence in their hands (I know Charles isn't at Kings). Kind of like my man Dariush, he's not getting respect for his hands from Roy Jones Jr anytime soon, but he's willing get in their and mix it up similar to Charles, using what works for them to pressure and get them into the grappling exchanges they're looking for.

I saw similar in the Kevin Lee fight but the fanbase in enamored with finishes, so the narrative quickly became "Charles 2.0".

Same man, I just want to see how Charles handles any form of adversity and overcome it, if he can ill be ready to coronate Oliviera 2.0. I like that Tony x Chandler fight, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm more interested in the Gaethje match up.

I have to get the memory of Gaethje looking like a first week white belt in BJJ against Khabib out of my head.

Before the fight - All we heard about was how Gaethje was a D1 wrestler, an all American in college and was great on the ground. Either he was going to stuff all Khabib's attempts or Khabib wasn't going to be able to hold him down.

Khabib proceeds to slice through Gaethje like a hot knife through better while entering the fight with a compromised foot.

After the fight - Justin doesn't like BJJ, never practices BJJ and wrestles only 1 a week.


I want to see Gaethje vs Hooker. It makes sense especially if Chandler wins tonight.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

There's a betting forum

 

[Dionysian]

I have to get the memory of Gaethje looking like a first week white belt in BJJ against Khabib out of my head.

Before the fight - All we heard about was how Gaethje was a D1 wrestler, an all American in college and was great on the ground. Either he was going to stuff all Khabib's attempts or Khabib wasn't going to be able to hold him down.

Khabib proceeds to slice through Gaethje like a hot knife through better while entering the fight with a compromised foot.

After the fight - Justin doesn't like BJJ, never practices BJJ and wrestles only 1 a week.


I want to see Gaethje vs Hooker. It makes sense especially if Chandler wins tonight.

There were some good options before (Oliveira/Dustin for title + Chandler/Gaethje for #1 contender + Tony/Conor for top 5 relevance was my personal choice) but with the way they are doing the setup currently (Chandler/Oliveira and Dustin/Conor again and Tony/Dariush) it puts Gaethje in a weird spot.

I don't think Hooker makes sense riding a two-fight losing streak. Hooker needs a tune-up and Gaethje needs something that can punctuate his position in the top 5. I'd say either Dariush (if he wins tonight), loser of Dustin-Conor (as the winner fights for the title obviously), or loser of tonight's title fight. With any of those he should be on cusp of a title shot.

 

[Dionysian]

There's a betting forum

 

[drbolony]

I hope you guys listened to @Dionysian and not me.

 

[Gio]

Unfortunately I was just involved in a move as expensive as it gets. Roughly 20K. By the way... don't ever use "ISLAND MOVERS" at Hawaii. A complete and utter shit/ripoff company.

Anyway, back to what I was saying. Just blew 20K so I'm light on money now. If I had any, I'd certainly put a 1K bet on Charles. Due to my current financial handicap, I have instead chosen to try and do you a favor to convince you to make the free money on Charles. Charles is now at -134... that is INSANE. Here is why:

1) The PR gap is in full swing helping you to bet on Charles
You saw it bumping Conor's odds when he boxed Floyd despite that being a joke. You saw it bumping Anderson's odds against Weidman despite Weidman having an obvious style advantage to anyone who knew what they were watching. Now you're seeing it to a guy who has had 1 UFC fight and his history of setbacks being erased for this bullshit narrative. You'd think Will Brooks never existed thanks to the Dana White privilege at work here.

2) The knowledge gap is in full swing helping you to bet on Charles
Chandler KOd his last opponent, therefore he's Rumble with punching power. Chandler is a wrestler on paper, therefore his TDD is perfect. Again... you'd think Will Brooks never existed. Charles can take him down and reign hellfire from on top. The fight analysis being applied to this match-up is frankly LAZY. Lazy ass breakdowns like that being pushed left, right, and center to the viewing populace at large = even better odds for Charles.

3) The style gap is in full swing helping you to bet on Charles
If Chandler stays on the outside he gets hit with Oliveira's rangy shots. If he goes inside he gets out-worked in the clinch. If he goes for a TD he gets subbed, swept, or out-scrambled. Other than UFC marketing quoting Chandler that his style is "anti-BJJ" (it isn't) or UFC marketing acting like every shot he throws flattens opponents (it doesn't) there is no logical reason to think he has ANY advantage.

In short, this is tailor-made easy money for betting on Charles. Better technique, more avenues to victory, being undersold by the company, and perfectly set up to finish Chandler within 3 rounds. You're welcome for the free money guys.

Are you a wizard? Good call, TS! Congrats to Charles

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Nah I'm good.

Unfortunate

 

[Yep]

Just how close was op to starting a new account in shame? That was a clenched butthole.

 

[Dionysian]

I hope you guys listened to @Dionysian and not me.

To be fair Chandler did better than I thought he would. High level talent.

Are you a wizard? Good call, TS! Congrats to Charles

Thanks man... and again... a hearty FUCK YOU to Island Movers of Oahu. Otherwise I could have placed that 1K bet.

Just how close was op to starting a new account in shame? That was a clenched butthole.

What? I don't get what you mean