My 1st fight (almost):what to do now?

[B.A. Ben Askren]

Hey it's my first post on this account, but I read the forums daily for awhile now. Anyways to my story...

There is this kid at school (he's a senior, about 130lbs) who tried to pick a fight with me earlier in the year (I'm a sophomore, 6'1, 170lbs). Right before the pep assembly he pushed me and started cursing me out (apparently he didn't like the fact that I talked to his gf at lunch...even though we sit at the same round table of 6 people..). It was broken up by about 20 football players who didn't want me to get suspended for the game later that night.

I thought all was lost but it's now after football season (wrestling for that matter) and he comes up to me and does the same as last time, calling me a pussy in front of everybody. I'm not afraid of this kid at all but I really don't want to be suspended. Eventually he keeps saying unpleasantries and I finally say "You want to fight? Fine after school." Next thing I know all his friends are there saying how their gonna jump in (again not to worried...I have bigger/more/tougher friends). So I go after school to meet him in the prearranged spot and guess what....60 people are waiting for the fight...which he never shows up to. I'm finally thinking to myself "Well I guess that settles that." but the next week he starts doing the same shit. He wants to fight during school (so the teachers can break it up before I beat him, but he won't admit to that:icon_twis ). Problem is I don't want to get suspended which would be a sure thing if I fought in a hallway.

Now some people are thinking I'm afraid of him because I won't fight him, but the only reason for that is because it's in-school. Which is where I want to know how you would handle the situation and what you'd do. My dad says to beat the crap out of him if he starts anything again until its obvious he's done (unconcious, gives up, etc.) and if any of his friends hop in to get up as quick as possible and break something (he's not paying for the jujitsu lessons for nothing evidently:redface: ). What do you think I should do?

 

[RetiredWisFighter]

IMO with a martial art especially jiujitsu it is supposed to give you the confiedence to walk away from fights and not go looking for them. Who cares what your high school cred is about. You beat him up you run the risk of assault and battery charges plus losing your ability to play football. You start breaking limbs they are also going to question jiujitsu.

 

[Rotaryengine]

idk but ur dad made me smile

 

[Kimuralex]

And this is in the grappling forum why? I am only 17 but looking back at fights i had earlier i realize that they were SO stupid. Most of them were like on the same level as yours, bullshit teenager stuff. You beat his face in and then what? that solves nothing, if he is pussy enough to not show up to a fight then he will be pussy enough to call the cops on your ass. With so many people coming to see just one damn fight im guessing you guys live in some suburban highschool/area where the law enforcement doesnt play around with bullshit.

I suggest that whenever he comes up to you, when he talks just luagh at him. Dont even say anything, just smile and luagh right in his face. That will enfuriate him and he will either

A) hit you causing you to act in self defense
B) get mad and talk more and eventualy walk away

judging from this character it will most likely be B. However i think your in a win-win situation since getting in trouble for self defense is better explainable then arranging some bullshit fight after school that will be called gang activity WITHOUT a doubt. Trust me, if there are 60 people and like 20 of them are fighting, your ass will be FUCKED. Cops will charge you with SO much stuff you will regret it heavily.

 

[Hamm]

wow, if 60 people saw that he didnt show up to your fight that you pre-arranged, then you would think that everyone would know he is the chump, not you.

But really it doesnt matter, this shit happens every day. He is a senior, he is older than you he is just a punk. Ignore him, if he puts his hands on you then finish it but if he gets in your face just tell him "you had your chance and you pussied out" and walk away from the situation.

 

[B.A. Ben Askren]

I don't think I'd actually break anything, it was more of a joke, although I would consider it if his friends actually did jump in. Plus when I mean fight, I mean he starts the pushing/hitting/physical contact, so idk how I'd get charged with anything especially if his friends help. Also it's not so much about H.S. cred (although it is a little bit of a factor) more as how much we hate each other. If I beat him up, he'll stop all the shittalking and I won't have to deal with it. Plus football seasons over so I wouldn't be suspended from it (just giving more info. not saying your not right, because yours is pretty logical)

 

[Dawgie]

Hey it's my first post on this account, but I read the forums daily for awhile now. Anyways to my story...

There is this kid at school (he's a senior, about 130lbs) who tried to pick a fight with me earlier in the year (I'm a sophomore, 6'1, 170lbs). Right before the pep assembly he pushed me and started cursing me out (apparently he didn't like the fact that I talked to his gf at lunch...even though we sit at the same round table of 6 people..). It was broken up by about 20 football players who didn't want me to get suspended for the game later that night.

I thought all was lost but it's now after football season (wrestling for that matter) and he comes up to me and does the same as last time, calling me a pussy in front of everybody. I'm not afraid of this kid at all but I really don't want to be suspended. Eventually he keeps saying unpleasantries and I finally say "You want to fight? Fine after school." Next thing I know all his friends are there saying how their gonna jump in (again not to worried...I have bigger/more/tougher friends). So I go after school to meet him in the prearranged spot and guess what....60 people are waiting for the fight...which he never shows up to. I'm finally thinking to myself "Well I guess that settles that." but the next week he starts doing the same shit. He wants to fight during school (so the teachers can break it up before I beat him, but he won't admit to that:icon_twis ). Problem is I don't want to get suspended which would be a sure thing if I fought in a hallway.

Now some people are thinking I'm afraid of him because I won't fight him, but the only reason for that is because it's in-school. Which is where I want to know how you would handle the situation and what you'd do. My dad says to beat the crap out of him if he starts anything again until its obvious he's done (unconcious, gives up, etc.) and if any of his friends hop in to get up as quick as possible and break something (he's not paying for the jujitsu lessons for nothing evidently:redface: ). What do you think I should do?

Grow the fuck up is what you should do, dumbass little trivial High School fights. Honestly, it's so childish just walk away from it.

 

[Kimuralex]

I don't think I'd actually break anything, it was more of a joke, although I would consider it if his friends actually did jump in. Plus when I mean fight, I mean he starts the pushing/hitting/physical contact, so idk how I'd get charged with anything especially if his friends help. Also it's not so much about H.S. cred (although it is a little bit of a factor) more as how much we hate each other. If I beat him up, he'll stop all the shittalking and I won't have to deal with it. Plus football seasons over so I wouldn't be suspended from it (just giving more info. not saying your not right, because yours is pretty logical)

read my above post, his shit talking will stop cuz your ass will be in jail. Especially if you live in nice suburbs and you hurt him then you will get in a lot of trouble. Especially since he is so much smaller and no one will believe you that he started it first.

 

[RetiredWisFighter]

I don't think I'd actually break anything, it was more of a joke, although I would consider it if his friends actually did jump in. Plus when I mean fight, I mean he starts the pushing/hitting/physical contact, so idk how I'd get charged with anything especially if his friends help. Also it's not so much about H.S. cred (although it is a little bit of a factor) more as how much we hate each other. If I beat him up, he'll stop all the shittalking and I won't have to deal with it. Plus football seasons over so I wouldn't be suspended from it (just giving more info. not saying your not right, because yours is pretty logical)

Then just embarass his ass miserably. Instead of hitting him just take him down get full mount and ask him what is he going to do and hold full mount forever. Then after like 5 mins of that get up and be like we are done now. No sense in bloodying someone up when you can just demoralize them and take their pride.

 

[B.A. Ben Askren]

And this is in the grappling forum why? I am only 17 but looking back at fights i had earlier i realize that they were SO stupid. Most of them were like on the same level as yours, bullshit teenager stuff. You beat his face in and then what? that solves nothing, if he is pussy enough to not show up to a fight then he will be pussy enough to call the cops on your ass. With so many people coming to see just one damn fight im guessing you guys live in some suburban highschool/area where the law enforcement doesnt play around with bullshit.

Bingo, like I said most fights are in school so the person who's afraid won't get beat to badly. That's the problem though, it gives bitches the idea their tough and then they talk shit, fight, and get suspended (both people, self-defense or not--reason for not wanting to fight in school and prearrange). And yeah it's definatly a suburban highschool area. And he wouldn't call the cops (i think he's an illegal alien )


I suggest that whenever he comes up to you, when he talks just luagh at him. Dont even say anything, just smile and luagh right in his face. That will enfuriate him and he will either

A) hit you causing you to act in self defense
B) get mad and talk more and eventualy walk away

judging from this character it will most likely be B. However i think your in a win-win situation since getting in trouble for self defense is better explainable then arranging some bullshit fight after school that will be called gang activity WITHOUT a doubt. Trust me, if there are 60 people and like 20 of them are fighting, your ass will be FUCKED. Cops will charge you with SO much stuff you will regret it heavily.

20 people wouldn't fight lol...the 60 people were just their to watch. The humanities class brought out their video cameras to put it on youtube lol. I would only get in trouble with the school if we were caught, not the law because A. He's 18 and I just turned 16 and B. I'd wait for him to throw the first punch anyways lol.

 

[Kimuralex]

If your so sure about that then in that case screw that and get this fight on youtube!!


and yea, in the end you better yell out something like THANKS SHERDOG or WAR SHERDOG or hell i dont know..just say something funny for us.

edit number 3
sprogg-remember a while ago we talked about that gracie self defense wrist strap, man would that come in handy right? lol jk
tim- stop waisting your time, this kid made his mind up so might as well benefit us with a new after school suburban high school street fight.

title-"YOU TALK TO MA GF AT LUNCH BITCH? FIGHT ME!"

 

[sproggdawg]

Grow the fuck up is what you should do, dumbass little trivial High School fights. Honestly, it's so childish just walk away from it.

Hindsight is 20/20 isnt it. He hasnt said anything inappropriate or childish so theres really no reason to insult him. Kimuralex is right, its not worth the trouble. If he confronts you again in the hall then mention the fact that he never showed up for the last fight and that hes an idiot for wanting to fight in school. If the size difference is so great between the two of you then hes an idiot for wanting to fight you anyway, especially with no training.

 

[Dawgie]

Honestly this kid is 130lbs, no point fighting that little punk.

 

[RetiredWisFighter]

20 people wouldn't fight lol...the 60 people were just their to watch. The humanities class brought out their video cameras to put it on youtube lol. I would only get in trouble with the school if we were caught, not the law because A. He's 18 and I just turned 16 and B. I'd wait for him to throw the first punch anyways lol.

Ah love the high schooler logic. #1) Bigger people are usually considered aggressors 2) Youtube/myspace videos are BAD ideas a ton of people get caught. 3) There are laws in most places that talk about self defense within a reasonable context. Even if he did throw the first punch you still can be charged. Also age at 16 compared to 18 is irrelevent because you can be charged as an adult.

 

[B.A. Ben Askren]

Then just embarass his ass miserably. Instead of hitting him just take him down get full mount and ask him what is he going to do and hold full mount forever. Then after like 5 mins of that get up and be like we are done now. No sense in bloodying someone up when you can just demoralize them and take their pride.

Good point, I was thinking about this because I'm big into wrestling (freestyle, folkstyle, with a pinch of Greco). Instead of just holding him there ( I gotta watch out for his friends, my friends would pull them off but I still prefer not getting hit) I was thinking about just throwing him and when he got back up do it again until he left/whatever. Problem with this is a greater chance to get caught lol.

 

[KennyG]

It sounds like you are young, but you really need to try to put this in perspective a little. He hasn't attacked you, so this is not really a self-defense issue. Trying to meet him after school was a good start, but you still could have gotten into a lot of trouble if you accidently hurt him. It is really not worth it. If I were you I would try three things in this order:

1. ignore him and forget about it
2. if he gets in your face again during school point out that he had his chance and didn't show up
3. challenge him to a match at a local gym/dojo

I know #3 doesn't sound that cool to most high school kids, but it is the adult way of handling a situation where two people feel the need to settle things physically. You will be an adult some day, so it won't hurt to practice being one.

By the way, you can always defend yourself. If he strikes you, take him out (without killing him if possible--unless he's armed but that's another story). Don't do something stupid like sticking your chin out to give him the first shot. Even though he's small he could flash KO you if he hits you on the button, so don't risk this.

 

[B.A. Ben Askren]

Ah love the high schooler logic. #1) Bigger people are usually considered aggressors 2) Youtube/myspace videos are BAD ideas a ton of people get caught. 3) There are laws in most places that talk about self defense within a reasonable context. Even if he did throw the first punch you still can be charged. Also age at 16 compared to 18 is irrelevent because you can be charged as an adult.

Lol first of all....damn that all sucks for me doesn't it:icon_chee . And just so I can save a little face, he does have a Latin Kings tattoo on his forearm so I'm pretty sure I'd have more respectability in court if the fact that he's in a gang and its on vid of him throwing the first punch. Might get minor charge (i think?) but honestly I don't see it happening.

(and for all who are gonna say "dont mess with gangsters", my towns population is a little over 6,000, they're all wannabe's, and a gang fight happened last year and one gang quit the fight <of 10 people lol> because someone got their nose broken...so its not like the guy's gang is hardcore....track team is more hardcore in my town lol. And someone has to stand up to these guys, because its not just me he does it to...im just the only one who would win most likely)

 

[B.A. Ben Askren]

It sounds like you are young, but you really need to try to put this in perspective a little. He hasn't attacked you, so this is not really a self-defense issue. Trying to meet him after school was a good start, but you still could have gotten into a lot of trouble if you accidently hurt him. It is really not worth it. If I were you I would try three things in this order:

1. ignore him and forget about it-i did, then he started #2

2. if he gets in your face again during school point out that he had his chance and didn't show up - pointed that out to him, but he pretended he had no idea what i was talking about.
3. challenge him to a match at a local gym/dojo-if he wouldn't fight me outside I doubt he'd drive to a dojo/gym/etc.

I know #3 doesn't sound that cool to most high school kids, but it is the adult way of handling a situation where two people feel the need to settle things physically. You will be an adult some day, so it won't hurt to practice being one.- I'm not trying to say I'm perfect but I think the way I've handled it has been pretty mature. I ignored him, twice (once before pep rally, next in hallway. Then I challenged him, then I thought it was over but he started all over again. Plus its not like I love fighting (i do but I've only had fights in the gym MMA style, never streetfight) so I'm not the one who tried to start it, I tried to end it, but he just keeps coming back up so thats why I'm here lol.


By the way, you can always defend yourself. If he strikes you, take him out (without killing him if possible--unless he's armed but that's another story). Don't do something stupid like sticking your chin out to give him the first shot. Even though he's small he could flash KO you if he hits you on the button, so don't risk this.

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lol I wouldn't ever try to seriously hurt someone unless I was in actual harm (weapon). worst i would do in a jump in is try and dislocate some shoulders, chokes, etc. and thats in a hop-in where no one can get them to "hop out". And he'll def. throw the first strike, I just might have to provoke it out of him (which I will if he keeps talking trash, I'll say something back to make him angry)

 

[B.A. Ben Askren]

If your so sure about that then in that case screw that and get this fight on youtube!!


and yea, in the end you better yell out something like THANKS SHERDOG or WAR SHERDOG or hell i dont know..just say something funny for us.

edit number 3
sprogg-remember a while ago we talked about that gracie self defense wrist strap, man would that come in handy right? lol jk
tim- stop waisting your time, this kid made his mind up so might as well benefit us with a new after school suburban high school street fight.

title-"YOU TALK TO MA GF AT LUNCH BITCH? FIGHT ME!"

lol...if it does happen I will yell that out lol...maybe I'll get in the crane stance to..(2nd point is a joke).

 

[NJCarder]

ddue he's 130 pounds...i would laugh at him and walk away...gonna fuck up a 6 year old next time they talk shit???