Must-have supplements for hardgainer

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by Pure Evil, Jun 24, 2008.

  1. Pure Evil

    Pure Evil Yellow Belt

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    I'm a 155 lb hardgainer who's 5'11 and wants to build lean muscle mass to my bony frame. what are must-have supplements? I train MMA 2-3 times a week, lift weights 2 nites a week, and do two 3 mile runs a week, and i cant seem to put on any weight unless i stop completely running and eat a lot, but then i end up putting on fat in my stomach rather than anywhere else.

    (also i do watch my cals and aim for about 2400 calories a day....30% protein, 60% carbs and 10% fat). the only supplement i take is whey but i dont think its helping much.

    i realize i should lift weights more but i dont have a lot of extra time. please help with a couple supplements that mite help...glutamine? cassein protein? creatine?
     
  2. Vedic

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    FAQ and STICKIES are a must have.
     
  3. Pure Evil

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    Like i said, I dont have a lot of extra time...I could sit here and read thread after thread but it would be much easier if i could get a few suggestions so I know what to look for.

    Ive read quite of few of the stickies...and they are massive and have a ton of links..i need some "to-the-point" facts/suggestions
     
  4. Vedic

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    No one will spoon feed you here. You have time, just like anyone else.

    Facts and suggestions are in the F&Q
     
  5. Ziltoid

    Ziltoid In search for the Ultimate cup of Coffee

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    You have to worry about eating more and eating clean.
    Instead of wasting your time typing, you could've read a little bit of the FAQ and learn something. Look up John Berardi 7 habits.
     
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    cottage cheese before sleep
     
  7. FirstScratch

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    The absolute simplest and easiest way to get some solid ideas is to ask around at the gym. Don't be afraid to ask Cock Diesel some questions. Most guys are more than happy to share info. It's always a good choice to seek advice directly from the horses mouth, in this case from guys that have already made the gains. Most people that think they are "hardgainers" just aren't maximizing their workouts to begin with. They don't even put themselves in the position to utilize the benefits of their supplementation.
     
  8. Vedic

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    Most hardgainers don't eat right, or train right, thus the hardgainer term is mainly bogus
     
  9. SixTwoSix

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    You aren't eating enough by a long shot. I was like you, I thought I was eating enough at 2100 calories per day when I really should have been at 3500+ per day. Not to mention you're running too much and not lifting enough if you really want to gain weight. It's a hard, slow process.

    Getting a weight gain powder can help, take one serving per day which is 1000ish calories.

    Drink tons of milk, I drink about a half gallon a day.

    Lift heavy (<10 reps).

    Sleep a lot.

    You're like a lot of people who think they're "hardgainers". You think you're doing enough to gain weight but you really aren't and you're lying to yourself.
     
  10. ronin0352

    ronin0352 Lift, Eat, Sleep, Repeat

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    ^^^^Firstscratch, that's a horrible idea. You'll be buying $200 worth of shit supplements a month and not making any progress. I constantly laugh at the guys guzzling their NO Xplode and other stuff before doing their mega-curl routines, talking about getting bigger. TS, you'll get a lot better info right here.

    And as for time, I don't buy. I am gone for work (including 1 hour commute each way) for 14-15 hours a day, go to the gym for an hour and a half a day, and spend time with my 18 month old daughter and I've still managed to read the stickies several times. I still skim through on occasion, cause there's so much info I always catch something new. Here, I'll make it easy for ya:

    FAQ
     
  11. SixTwoSix

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    Oh and compound lifts are important. These are lifts that use many muscles at once; deadlift, squats, bench press, power cleans, chin ups etc.
     
  12. TX911

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    two words will solve all of your problems:


    CELL TECH
     
  13. FirstScratch

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    Your gym must be full of stereotypical muscleheads because most dedicated lifters stay away from the bullshit, over-hyped supplements and are quick to tell you what's junk and what's not. But that is really besides the point. Again, most "hardgaining" is really a lack of utilizing the full potential of your workouts. Asking questions from someone that's been able to achieve real gains can yield a wealth of information. A change in technique, weight, or reps can make all the difference.
     
  14. blink_man182

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    And kill your wallet at the same time
     
  15. ronin0352

    ronin0352 Lift, Eat, Sleep, Repeat

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    LOL, I'm not arguing that point with you at all. But I'm sure you're plenty familiar with the Idiot in the Gym thread, and based on that, I'd say if your gym isn't full of retards you're extremely lucky. Mine isn't as bad as most, but I still wouldn't take nutrition advice from any but about 2 of the guys there. Maybe 1, one of them used to work there but was talking about getting another job and I haven't seen him for a couple weeks.

    Edit: and at that, I'd only ask the one that is still there for advice if I wanted to be a BBer, as that's the direction his work takes him.
     
  16. Ziltoid

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    Just buy the Russian Bear 5000, hehe.
     
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    That 'to the point' enough for ya
     
  18. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    <5 reps
     
  19. SixTwoSix

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    One more thing, you are far from a "hardgainer". I ate more than you for over three years easily (2600 ish per day) and I was 5'11 130 for a while.
     
  20. SixTwoSix

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    Well, depends. If his main goal is to gain weight, 7-10 reps would be more beneficial for just packing on muscle. If he wants to get mostly stronger and a little bigger, 5 or less is ideal.

    I'm just going by what he says, I know almost everyone here despises hypertrophy, but if someone just wants to gain weight 7-10 reps is better.
     

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