International Muslim man murdered in French Mosque.

[Trabaho]

@Trabaho lolol at the name and region.

Shit. I'm not Oliver H. My last name got a different letter . Rest in peace to the victim, very sad. I am Croatian from Bosnia.

 

[nostradumbass]

Okay, let me explain this joke to you because you, @Long Dark Blues, @Whippy McGee, @Xanzito, @Bobby00, @Spam On Rye and @GoodBadHBK might not have understood it - although some of those guys might have liked it because it was funny, rather than that they agreed with the context of placing it here.

The joke is that someone is worried about potential non-victim when there are very real actual present day victims.

This thread is about a Muslim who has murdered. They are the real victim in this case.

Applying a joke that people will worry about the blow back on Muslims makes no sense whatsoever when a Muslim was the actual victim.

Unless you're trying to do the inverse and mocking idiots that worry about non-Muslims when a Muslim is the one that has actually been murdered.

Do you see how retarded your post is, or do you at least now understand the joke that YOU unintentionally represent yourself?

Um, no, I see how retarded YOUR post was, and you still don't seem to.

Your post suggests that the bigger problem in France isn't the massively disproportionate amount of crime from migrants, but the real problem is people pointing out the massively disproportionate amount of crime because of a single example of the son of Bosnian migrants stabbing a Malian migrant. Muslims are like 10% of the population in France, and the majority of the prison population, yet your takeaway is that people should stop criticizing the thousands of rapes and murders because of a single example of the son of Bosnian migrants stabbing a Malian migrant, when a sane person would find the trend more concerning than the single exception.

 

[Islam Imamate]

If a German stabbed a Jewish man to death in a Synagogue, would your automatic reaction be, "Well, of course, he's German" ?

If he uploaded an anti-semitic rant I'd assume he's a Nazi.

In the case of Serbs though their pogrom against Muslims was decades more recent than the Holocaust and as a society Serbs and Serbia had not reckoned with their past the way the Germans have.

If an Azeri or Turk stabbed an Armenian in a church I think we'd all suspect that anti-Armenian bigotry rooted in Turkish nationalism was a probable cause especially if the individual uploaded an anti-Armenian rant.

 

[Cajun]

I wouldn't say that, but all the sources I have read around this, such as Al Jazeera, are calling this a possible hate attack etc. Those same sources also haven't called him a Serb yet - only a non-Muslim Bosnian.

These are the kind of circs I'd expect to see if the victim & suspect knew each other - albeit I'm not prepared to make any prediction on the motive for the attack other than the obvious angle that the suspect used the victims religion as a way of humiliating him after the event.

The French establishment are absolutely salivating at the opportunity to claim this as an Islamophobic terror attack to divert away from the obvious issues they have with the rise of the political right. I suspect this is a political capital now, truth later situation.

I'm not much for conspiracies of any kind. Obviously anything is possible and conspiracy theories are thrown out there because of actual shady things that do go on. Let's see if they catch the guy

 

[Siver!]

Um, no, I see how retarded YOUR post was, and you still don't seem to.

Your post suggests that the bigger problem in France isn't the massively disproportionate amount of crime from migrants, but the real problem is people pointing out the massively disproportionate amount of crime because of a single example of the son of Bosnian migrants stabbing a Malian migrant. Muslims are like 10% of the population in France, and the majority of the prison population, yet your takeaway is that people should stop criticizing the thousands of rapes and murders because of a single example of the son of Bosnian migrants stabbing a Malian migrant, when a sane person would find the trend more concerning than the single exception.

I posted a post about tit for tat violence.

About the kind of rhetoric that causes this specific incident.

You posted a joke that didn't apply, didn't fit, didn't work, and didn't make sense.

Now you're waffling on trying to justify a murder? I'm not sure what you're doing otherwise.

Extremist rhetoric isn't the same thing as criticism, and there are plenty of doughnuts out there who can't see the difference.

 

[KnightTemplar]

If he uploaded an anti-semitic rant I'd assume he's a Nazi.

In the case of Serbs though their pogrom against Muslims was decades more recent than the Holocaust and as a society Serbs and Serbia had not reckoned with their past the way the Germans have.

If an Azeri or Turk stabbed an Armenian in a church I think we'd all suspect that anti-Armenian bigotry rooted in Turkish nationalism was a probable cause especially if the individual uploaded an anti-Armenian rant.

He's a Serb and he's definitely a bigot. It does not automatically follow that he's a bigot because he's a Serb.

Causality does not equal Causation.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He's a Serb and he's definitely a bigot. It does not automatically follow that he's a bigot because he's a Serb.

Causality does not equal Causation.

Right but I never said it necessarily follows, just that this kind of assumption is exactly what you guys would do if the roles were reversed. Furthermore it's ridiculous to frame this attack as "Muslim behavior", as if to blame Muslims for this attack, the way some posters jokingly did when Serbs have a history of butchering Muslims.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Right but I never said it necessarily follows, just that this kind of assumption is exactly what you guys would do if the roles were reversed. Furthermore it's ridiculous to frame this attack as "Muslim behavior", as if to blame Muslims for this attack, the way some posters jokingly did when Serbs have a history of butchering Muslims.

I'm afraid you did. You stated this attack had more to do with the murderer being Serbian than anything else.

And I never condoned this attack, or tried to imply it was justified by Islamist extremist attacks. Nor did I make any jokes about it.

 

[nostradumbass]

I posted a post about tit for tat violence.

About the kind of rhetoric that causes this specific incident.

You posted a joke that didn't apply, didn't fit, didn't work, and didn't make sense.

Now you're waffling on trying to justify a murder? I'm not sure what you're doing otherwise.

Extremist rhetoric isn't the same thing as criticism, and there are plenty of doughnuts out there who can't see the difference.

There is nothing remotely close to "tit for tat" in France or anywhere else, it's like 99% in 1 direction, and you're now doing the classic weasel play after getting mocked and pretending that laughing at your ridiculous post is "trying to justify a murder". You don't believe it, nobody else believes it, and the only reason for claiming something so preposterous is trying to hit the ejector seat on your own silly argument.

Importing people who commit a hugely disproportionate amount of crime and plow vans and swing machetes into crowds, shoot up concerts, and stab up little girls in a dance class is a much bigger problem in Europe than "Islamaphobic rhetoric". Just fucking wild you would need to be told that.

 

[The Big Yin]

I'm not much for conspiracies of any kind. Obviously anything is possible and conspiracy theories are thrown out there because of actual shady things that do go on. Let's see if they catch the guy

That isn't a conspiracy theory, that is literal standard operating practice for the media and politics.

At the moment all we know is you have a crazed murderer on loose, who the authorities know quite a bit about, and the only thing released is a first name and his parents background. No description, no appeals, nothing

 

[Spam On Rye]

Misrepresenting my joke and then deleting it is scummy behavior. Can't have fun because of feminine behavior on sherdog.

 

[Cajun]

That isn't a conspiracy theory, that is literal standard operating practice for the media and politics.

At the moment all we know is you have a crazed murderer on loose, who the authorities know quite a bit about, and the only thing released is a first name and his parents background. No description, no appeals, nothing

So they have released his name? Haven't heard that. Again, as it unfolds we will see more.

 

[Bubzeh]

RIP.

It’s almost like diversity might not be Europe’s strength after all.

 

[wlu.29]

Oh no...thats terrible

Snarky edgelord

 

[Cajun]

Oh no...thats terrible

Come on bruh...

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Okay, let me explain this joke to you because you, @Long Dark Blues, @Whippy McGee, @Xanzito, @Bobby00, @Spam On Rye and @GoodBadHBK might not have understood it - although some of those guys might have liked it because it was funny, rather than that they agreed with the context of placing it here.

The joke is that someone is worried about potential non-victim when there are very real actual present day victims.

This thread is about a Muslim who has murdered. They are the real victim in this case.

Applying a joke that people will worry about the blow back on Muslims makes no sense whatsoever when a Muslim was the actual victim.

Unless you're trying to do the inverse and mocking idiots that worry about non-Muslims when a Muslim is the one that has actually been murdered.

Do you see how retarded your post is, or do you at least now understand the joke that YOU unintentionally represent yourself?

I understood @nostradumbass's post of that Norm joke to mean that the incident in the OP is the blowback. That the joke has come to life.

Not that he was making light of the situation.

That's what my like was indicating; that indeed, the joke has seemingly come to life and blowback toward innocent Muslims is what we are seeing.

 

[MMA IAN]

This thread is about a Muslim who has murdered.

Freudian slip huh. Your brain knows whats up even if you pretend you don't.


Not surprised to see people in here calling him an unhinged anti Muslim, but where are those people during all the Muslim terror attacks? Quiet as a mouse of course.

This is not an anti Muslim attack, this is just a mentally ill guy, right guys?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm afraid you did. You stated this attack had more to do with the murderer being Serbian than anything else.

I pointed out that it was a plausible motivation and further that pretending like this kind of behavior is unique to Muslims is a bit rich in light of the recent history of the Serbs.

 

[The Big Yin]

So they have released his name? Haven't heard that. Again, as it unfolds we will see more.

Only Oliver H - which is as helpful as releasing Tom B in the US

 

[KnightTemplar]

I pointed out that it was a plausible motivation and further that pretending like this kind of behavior is unique to Muslims is a bit rich in light of the recent history of the Serbs.

You said, and I quote,

"Him being a Serb is more likely to the explanation here".

You're assuming there is no other motivation beyond the ethnic hatred of Serbs for Muslims. Do I need to remind you what happens when you assume facts before checking them?