Crime Murderers in Finland gets another chance

[Nameless King]

I saw that video once before and now it popped in my feed again. Personally I would want my murderer to experience inhumane treatment in solitary confinement infested with rats, bugs and covered in feces and vomit followd by painful and long lasting death. But unfortunately we live in Western socialist cesspit where even America can be soft at times. So there you go.

When it comes to murderers and anything like that if i had it my way I would turn entire prison system upside down and create true hell on earth for these scumbags who should be utilized in the worst possible way.

Boils my piss.

 

[Cole train]

Ah open prison ,luxury lol

Depends where you get locked up, my friend spent sone time shitting in bucket back in day with nothing else in cell

(Which hilariously EU classifies as torture)

On one hand soft system like this encourages vigilantism lol

 

[TTech]

Losing a person to murder would give most people dark wishes as to what should happen to the murderer.
But as dificult as it is to admit the punishment system is narrowminded and doesnt work which is very obvious.
The difference between murderers and you is in vast majority down to selfawareness,social awareness, upbringing, peers etc... Throwing them into a cage is basically tantamount to throwing a child into a cage because he/she did something not knowing better. Saying "theyre adults, theyre responsible for their actions" or "they knew what they were doing" is naive, they know what they were doing within their extremely limited, uneducated, unaware mentality never given education, chance to learn empathy or explore their subconsciousness.
Template of everyone is more or less identical, differences come along as people mature and aside from miniscule percentage those are not some permanent changes.
If you give even murderers a chance to grow, open their mind to what they did and make them more selfaware, most can better themselves and eventually be helpful to society even only by sharing their experience with youth to prevent them from following in their footsteps.

 

[Nameless King]

Losing a person to murder would give most people dark wishes as to what should happen to the murderer.
But as dificult as it is to admit the punishment system is narrowminded and doesnt work which is very obvious.
The difference between murderers and you is in vast majority down to selfawareness,social awareness, upbringing, peers etc... Throwing them into a cage is basically tantamount to throwing a child into a cage because he/she did something not knowing better. Saying "theyre adults, theyre responsible for their actions" or "they knew what they were doing" is naive, they know what they were doing within their extremely limited, uneducated, unaware mentality never given education, chance to learn empathy or explore their subconsciousness.
Template of everyone is more or less identical, differences come along as people mature and aside from miniscule percentage those are not some permanent changes.
If you give even murderers a chance to grow, open their mind to what they did and make them more selfaware, most can better themselves and eventually be helpful to society even only by sharing their experience with youth to prevent them from following in their footsteps.

Well I think every country starting from elementary school when kids cant drop out out of their free will are taught about stuff like that with proper graded exam few years later. Everyone should be educated about their actions and consequences it brings. In case of Finland where @Cole train is from is other way round. You murder first then they will teach you about it.

And if you know you still go out and murder people then sadly its on you and you have no one to blame. A lot of it plays not only the parents but mainly your surroundings, colleagues, school, neighbourhood etc.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

So if someone murders a member of my family and gets released and then I murder them do I get released too?

 

[Cole train]

So if someone murders a member of my family and gets released and then I murder them do I get released too?

Pretty much

Our soft system encourages vigilantism in its own way which honestly is hilarious

 

[Nameless King]

So if someone murders a member of my family and gets released and then I murder them do I get released too?

Like I said in my 'ideal world' they wouldn't be released in a first place thus give you no reason to go vigilantee.

 

[Nameless King]

I also had thoughts about like designating an island the size of about 10-15 square miles where they all are thrown off the plane with parachute with food supplies airdropped once a week; mostly food and drinkable water, some meds maybe. Enough to feed 50% of inmates population, in different parts of the island each week.

I wonder how the island would look like after 10 years lol

 

[irish_thug]

One in Three recidivism rate is actually a hell of an accomplishment.

 

[irish_thug]

I also had thoughts about like designating an island the size of about 10-15 square miles where they all are thrown off the plane with parachute with food supplies airdropped once a week; mostly food and drinkable water, some meds maybe. Enough to feed 50% of inmates population, in different parts of the island each week.

I wonder how the island would look like after 10 years lol

 

[Natural Order]

Take a life, you give up your own.

None of this is difficult.

 

[Nameless King]

Why not?

Cheaper, ecofriendly (somewhat), no chance of escape. Few patrol boats with long range snipers. You lack vision.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

It’s easy to get mad at hearing stuff like this, but if you look at Finland’s crime rate, it looks like it’s going down? And murder rate also? So how is it, that murderers are being released and numbers go down? Again, just took a quick look. Seems there is something to it.

 

[Nameless King]

It’s easy to get mad at hearing stuff like this, but if you look at Finland’s crime rate, it looks like it’s going down? And murder rate also? So how is it, that murderers are being released and numbers go down? Again, just took a quick look. Seems there is something to it.

Tbh would you really give a damn about some metrics if it was your family that was affected?

Exactly. We dont give a damn until...UNTIL it touches us or people we know.

Life is short as it is, live and let live.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Tbh would you really give a damn about some metrics if it was your family that was affected?

Exactly. We dont give a damn until...UNTIL it touches us or people we know.

Life is short as it is, live and let live.

That’s why I said it was easy to get mad. It is natural in most people to want vengeance, I guess that is why they leave punishment up to the judge, and not the family.
My point is. This way of running a judicial system shouldn’t be dismissed because it looks unfair. If the system is able to rehabilitate people, they are doing something right.

 

[Belaya Smert]

I would prefer my murderer have the slowest and most painful death possible. Add while simultaneously their family and any person they ever loved abandons them and discards them with the same amount of feeling you would get by throwing away an old piece of gum. Paralyzed in a wheel chair without a working dick would be a close second.

 

[SKYNET]

If you give even murderers a chance to grow, open their mind to what they did and make them more selfaware, most can better themselves and eventually be helpful to society

What about the few that do not better themselves and eventually become helpful to society?

How many innocent families have to sacrifice a family member so murderers can have the extra chances their innocent victims will never get?

 

[Fugazy]

There has to be a middle ground between the shit that we have in the US and this Finnish system.

Premeditated murder, sex crimes, brutal violent crimes needs to be a hell of a long sentence and it should be hard and include labor. You damaged or killed a person you damaged their family and the community. You need to pay. Some people probably should be executed. For those that have a long sentence but will be released I do support them having a safe enough prison, education available and job training, help getting back into society and becoming self-sustaining, ongoing counseling and all that.

For non-violent and lesser crimes, the goal should be to get them to pay their fair restitution, serve their time and get them on a path that will keep them away from the life that led to their decision making and hopefully onto a productive path.

I do think the Finnish system has gone too far though. A murderer having everything thrown at their feet and living better than 90% of people on earth is a bridge too far. There's nothing punitive about that.

 

[Cole train]

There has to be a middle ground between the shit that we have in the US and this Finnish system.

Premeditated murder, sex crimes, brutal violent crimes needs to be a hell of a long sentence and it should be hard and include labor. You damaged or killed a person you damaged their family and the community. You need to pay. Some people probably should be executed. For those that have a long sentence but will be released I do support them having a safe enough prison, education available and job training, help getting back into society and becoming self-sustaining, ongoing counseling and all that.

For non-violent and lesser crimes, the goal should be to get them to pay their fair restitution, serve their time and get them on a path that will keep them away from the life that led to their decision making and hopefully onto a productive path.

I do think the Finnish system has gone too far though. A murderer having everything thrown at their feet and living better than 90% of people on earth is a bridge too far. There's nothing punitive about that.

They do not have everything at feet generally speaking simply because most prisons here are normal prisons here with your avg cells locked doors etc to my knowledge

Its just media always focuses on open prisons for some reason

(I personally dont know anyone who went to open prison, everyone i know went to real one and they werent even murderers lol)

 

[Fugazy]

They do not have everything at feet generally speaking simply because most prisons here are normal prisons here with your avg cells locked doors etc to my knowledge

Its just media always focuses on open prisons for some reason

(I personally dont know anyone who went to open prison, everyone i know went to real one and they werent even murderers lol)

I see so this example was more of a special case and not the norm.

The video did make it seem like there were more of these prisons being built nowadays.