Muay Thai vs Neo Footwork

Then what is neo movement lol? Im assuming that constant switch in stances coming forward or going backwards?
Thai fighters know how to switch stances aswell. Especially the knee specialists.

I'm guessing neo movement is the type of unorthodox movement that you see in mma and american kickboxing but not in muay thai (at least not in high level).
 
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Fucking beautiful.
Yea man, to the untrained eye dillashaw looks like lomachenko but its not even close, elite boxers are so advanced in their set ups and counters they would run circles around mma fighters.

People like to say mma fighters would destroy boxers in an mma fight and they would but they dont fully realize what a mma fighter would look like in a boxing fight.

Mayweather would make Conor look silly, in addition he would KO him and Mayweather isnt even a KO fighter.
 
Khitsongrit vs Rick Roufus is a classic example of how effective lowkicks can be over time against opponents with "neo-movement"


Great fight btw, both fighters are amazing.
 
They're not standing still. What applies to karate or boxing is useless in Muay Thai because a fighter can be grabbed and if they're not positionally ready for it, it's easy to exploit. And what good is your movement if the opponent doesn't respond to it, and they're just "standing still?" You have to go to them and get through the kicks, teeps and knees. Don't be naive in thinking a karate bro can just dart in and out.

The fun part is we got an example of this just a week ago in Holm vs. Shevchenko. Before the fight, most people were saying that Holly's speed and movement would let her run circles around Valentina and take her apart from the outside. Then during the fight, Shevchenko made Holly come to her and took her apart with counters. Nearly all of Holly's kicks were either easily avoided or checked and countered with a harder kick, and there was also the textbook sweep off a caught kick. The smaller Muay Thai fighter easily beat a movement based kickboxer.
 
There is alot going on actually it's not that simple. Altough i can understand why it would appear simple for someone who hasnt studied muay thai.
No it's simple that's why MMA trains it. Out of all the striking skill sets it simplifies it to the most basic attacks. That way MMA can train standup and grappling at the same time. Great standup takes 5 to 7 years to get good at. A legit BJJ BB takes that long. MT allows u to train both in a short amount of time and b somewhat proficient. The down side of unskilled sport like MT is u take unsustainable levels of damage over time. U can absorb that when you're young, but u pay big time later. If u study Muay Boran the parent art, it has much more evasive tactical emphasis do to its open hand combat origin rather than MT that has only been the sport or sparring application.
 
No it's simple that's why MMA trains it. Out of all the striking skill sets it simplifies it to the most basic attacks. That way MMA can train standup and grappling at the same time. Great standup takes 5 to 7 years to get good at. A legit BJJ BB takes that long. MT allows u to train both in a short amount of time and b somewhat proficient. The down side of unskilled sport like MT is u take unsustainable levels of damage over time. U can absorb that when you're young, but u pay big time later. If u study Muay Boran the parent art, it has much more evasive tactical emphasis do to its open hand combat origin rather than MT that has only been the sport or sparring application.
What they call "muay thai" in mma might be simple, but i wouldn't even consider most of these guys muay thai strikers. Which mma fighter, in your opinion has solid muay thai skills?

There's much more to it than throwing roundhouse kicks and grapping a double collar tie to throw some knees.
 
There's nobody in the UFC with the MT level that the Thais possess. MT probably has the least restrictive striking ruleset...why don't you see karate or TKD guys going in there and dominating?

Apples and Oranges. MT in it's basic concept requires you to take pointless levels of damage and stand toe to toe. TKD JKA (The exception being Kyokushin and some Okinawan off shoots) focus on inflicting the most damage while receiving the least (Kenshin Kan Okinawan has all of the striking of MT plus throws locks and enough grappling to neutralize back to the feet) . MT is the watered down sport version of Muay Boran. After a MT match u get patched up and take a week off. That's what makes the punishment allowable to the practitioner. In TKD/Karate it's more important to disengage from an opponent than risk that level of injury as the battlefield history of the arts mandate.

As I said Apples and Oranges. One style u don't care if u wind up in the ER the other u defend as much as necessary to ward of an aggressor and show up at work the next day.
 
What they call "muay thai" in mma might be simple, but i wouldn't even consider most of these guys muay thai strikers. Which mma fighter, in your opinion has solid muay thai skills?

There's much more to it than throwing roundhouse kicks and grapping a double collar tie to throw some knees.
No there isn't much more to it. Very rudimentary movement, and a requirement of taking ridiculous levels of damage. Yeah, those guys r as tough as nails, but that's because they stand in front of each other and brawl.

None of the MMA fighters have good MT. The only way u have good, meaning on your way to expert level anything is if you've dedicated 6 or more years of your life to it.
 
No there isn't much more to it. Very rudimentary movement, and a requirement of taking ridiculous levels of damage. Yeah, those guys r as tough as nails, but that's because they stand in front of each other and brawl.

None of the MMA fighters have good MT. The only way u have good, meaning on your way to expert level anything is if you've dedicated 6 or more years of your life to it.
Which elite muay thai fighter takes ridiculous levels of damage? Name a few.

Actually i dont know of any other full contact combat sports in which the elite fight at least every month and rarely pull out of fights.
 
After watching the video... do all Muay Thai guys stand still like that? I'm from a karate background with a bit of boxing thrown in, so I've watched very little of it. My own best defense is moving my feet, so it's strange to me to watch two guys being so stationary in front of each other like that, though I can see a lot of punches are blocked and kicks checked. I guess you conserve energy that way, but still... hard to conceive of just standing and blocking like that with mma gloves.
McGregor just beat Eddie Alvarez by standing still like a Muay Thai fighter. I guess all that fancy movement doesn't work if the other guy isn't reacting or flinching to it.
 
McGregor just beat Eddie Alvarez by standing still like a Muay Thai fighter. I guess all that fancy movement doesn't work if the other guy isn't reacting or flinching to it.

Nonesense. McGregor beat Alvarez becaus the latter kept circling into his powerhand like an amateur. It's boxing 101.
 
Nonesense. McGregor beat Alvarez becaus the latter kept circling into his powerhand like an amateur. It's boxing 101.
It's not wrong to circle in the direction of the power hand. He just made to many misstakes. I guess that's what happens when you do neo footwork.

Even in high level boxing you don't see that much jitter as in mma
 
It's not wrong to circle in the direction of the power hand. He just made to many misstakes. I guess that's what happens when you do neo footwork.

Even in high level boxing you don't see that much jitter as in mma

If you are the inferior boxer with the shorter reach, it is a criminal mistake to circle in the direction of the powerhand. That, and reaching with your punches is what you don't want to do against a ko-artist. Eddie made both of those mistakes and it cost him big time.
 
Well youre not going to beat thai guys in a muay thai fight unless you have solid muay thai skills and Cruz and Dillashaw dont have that
 
If you are the inferior boxer with the shorter reach, it is a criminal mistake to circle in the direction of the powerhand. That, and reaching with your punches is what you don't want to do against a ko-artist. Eddie made both of those mistakes and it cost him big time.
Saenchai circles towards the power side all the time, and alot of other fighters do aswell. Its actually a very effective way to counter the cross.
 
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