Social MTG Comes Out as a "Christian Nationalist"

[terrapin]

the Hermeneutics of the passages seem pretty straight forward. Scholars disagree on a philosophical level because it’s a hard pill to swallow- do we say that if you’ve never had the opportunity to hear the good word that you’re off the hook in regards to hell? If that was true then it means you’re actually damning people to hell by giving them the opportunity to reject the message (IE: 100 tribesman don’t know about Jesus so 100 tribesmen get into heaven. If you tell all 100 about god and only 50 accept him then 50 go to hell). Then again you could argue that anyone who goes to hell was supposed to in order to show the world how great and merciful god is (Romans 8 goes into this). According to Paul (and many learned folks interpretation of his book) that is exactly what is happening. God creates and sends some to hell without them ever having an opportunity at redemption.

it just never sat right with me.

The language of the text is not clear at all... you are wrong. The language used for hell is diverse with many different meanings and there is no way to draw clear conclusion from the New Testament itself unless you go by newer translations that translate the many different words and meanings into the one word hell.

We know for a fact there was no clear understanding of the hell that Jesus spoke of by the fact that all the disciples used different words meaning different things along with the fact that the early church fathers, the great saints and intellects of the early church who are both holy and educated had profound disagreements about what Jesus meant. The early Church fathers held direct lineage with the disciples if the matter was settled with the disciples it would be settled with them.

It was only until the third century when Augustine won the argument that the Catholic Church proclaimed hell eternal. And there is no necessity to their arguments as to why they went with Augustine's take. You either agree with the text and leave it ambiguous or you agree with Augustine and the Catholic church and consider the matter settled.

If you go by the text itself there is no way to be clear for sure, if you trust the Catholic church and Augustine (which I do not by a country mile) then the matter is settled. But there is nothing necessary about Augustine's arguments.

 

[Be the ball]

Many believe hell is eternal separation from God

 

[Crawler89]

There's no morality without god.
- arrogant, unthinking fools who don't believe in evolution

Humanism is devoid of mystical aspects but seeing as it has a golden rule element to it, that philosophy could be a better alternative to most religions. But I'm sure according to some fundamentalists it's either a product of the prime mover or the devil. We just need to nurture empathy to be on the right track.

being "moral" because of a god/book, fearing an after life, or become someone tells you isn't moral at all, and is just selfish and trying to be a do gooder for reward instead of just being a good person

but hey

 

[terrapin]

being "moral" because of a god/book, fearing an after life, or become someone tells you isn't moral at all, and is just selfish and trying to be a do gooder for reward instead of just being a good person

but hey

luckily that is not what the new testament teaches at all and is not even worthy of a strawman description of it.

 

[Be the ball]

being "moral" because of a god/book, fearing an after life, or become someone tells you isn't moral at all, and is just selfish and trying to be a do gooder for reward instead of just being a good person

but hey

Man is sinful and we all fall short of the glory of God. Everyone thinks they're a good person but you're underestimating the power of the enemy. We need the shield of God as protection.

Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour"

Do you understand why we need a shepherd?

 

[Source]

Man is sinful and we all fall short of the glory of God. Everyone thinks they're a good person but you're underestimating the power of the enemy. We need the shield of God as protection.

Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour"

Do you understand why we need a shepherd?

If you’re one of his sheep then god has failed miserably at attending to his flock.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I love how it is OK for someone to be a brother loving Muslim that advocates the destruction of Israel, but someone who likes Christian values and believes in America is an enemy.

The Christian values will every time win out vs the woke radicalism wanting the destruction of the US. Suck is #blieAnon demons

 

[Be the ball]

If you’re one of his sheep then god has failed miserably at attending to his flock.

What do you know about me?

 

[Source]

What do you know about me?

I’ve read your posts. You’re neither humble nor righteous. You’re not even capable of behaving yourself enough to keep from get banned from an MMA forum. If there is a god he is not using you as a measuring stick.

 

[Bald1]

the argument that there can be no morality without god does not HAVE to be used in such a pedantic way as many christians use it. i think there can be no morality without god too..... but i also think there can be no YOU without god... so when i say it im not saying YOU cannot be moral without god... im saying morality itself... the principle could not exist without the creator of that principle which is god.

and since all human beings are created in gods image i fully expect much of the good in the world to come through people who dont believe in god as they themselves come from gods mind.

i know you wont agree and im not trying to convince you at all.... but i just wanted you to know that not everyone who says there can be no morality without god is trying to set themselves up on a pedestal above other human beings but is instead making a more fundamental statement about life itself.

I get it, there can be morality without existence. In this scenario the chicken came first.

Aside from that, I appreciate you clarifying your position. As you know I'm not opposed to faith or people of faith. But God damnit I've met too many people who have no humility and think their way is the only way, yet act contrary to their stared beliefs. Many of them were Christians. Most people have no business casting stones, yet many of us do so anyways. We're all flawed fools who could be better and membership to a club has nothing to do with wherever or not someone is a good person.

I know you're not preaching from atop a moral high horse and we're all good, as always.

 

[Be the ball]

I’ve read your posts. You’re neither humble nor righteous. You’re not even capable of behaving yourself enough to keep from get banned from an MMA forum. If there is a god he is not using you as a measuring stick.

I am just like you and fall short of the glory of God. We are all sinners

Why do nasty people like you always expect Christians to be perfect? At least I love God and love my neighbor ad myself. Why do you think I am having this exchange with you? So I can be right? Think again.

 

[Source]

I am just like you and fall short of the glory of God. We are all sinners

Why do nasty people like you always expect Christians to be perfect? At least I love God and love my neighbor ad myself. Why do you think I am having this exchange with you? So I can be right? Think again.

No one asked you to be perfect. You’re just asked not to be a scumbag. Of which you continuously fail at here. This is evidenced by your multiple bans. Your post which is just a self congratulatory expression of your fake humility openly fails the test.

 

[Andy Capp]

What ended that exactly? I know the Moral Majority largely collapsed under the weight of the hypocrisy of the televangelists that were it's public figures. I wouldn't have thought that would stop people bombing abortion clinics though.

Spoiler

Conservative talk radio has been a bellows inflaming everything since before Rush Limbaugh took to the job like a fly on shit.

 

[DoctorTaco]

The language of the text is not clear at all... you are wrong. The language used for hell is diverse with many different meanings and there is no way to draw clear conclusion from the New Testament itself unless you got go by newer translations that translate the many different words and meanings into the one word hell.

We know for a fact there was no clear understanding of the hell that Jesus spoke of by the fact that all the disciples used different words meaning different things along with the fact that the early church fathers, the great saints and intellects of the early church who are both holy and educated had profound disagreements about what Jesus meant. The early Church fathers held direct lineage with the disciples if the matter was settled with the disciples it would be settled with them.

It was only until the third century when Augustine won the argument that the Catholic Church proclaimed hell eternal. And there is no necessity to their arguments as to why they went with Augustine's take. You either agree with the text and leave it ambiguous or you agree with Augustine and the Catholic church and consider the matter settled.

If you go by the text itself there is no way to be clear for sure, if you trust the Catholic church and Augustine (which I do not by a country mile) then the matter is settled. But there is nothing necessary about Augustine's arguments.

it feels like maybe something as punitive and important as the eternal damnation of your soul should be pretty crystal clear…

 

[Be the ball]

No one asked you to be perfect. You’re just asked not to be a scumbag. Of which you continuously fail at here. This is evidenced by your multiple bans. Your post which is just a self congratulatory expression of your fake humility openly fails the test.

You call me a scumbag and that I have multiple bans. Can you provide proof of those statements?

 

[Be the ball]

No, but I didn't say that you have multiple bans. I expressed the opinion that you are likely quite young and just here to troll without any real conviction behind your posts, and that, on the other hand, if you were returning from a prior ban with a new account, you fit a certain pair of clown shoes pretty well due to your combination of self-righteous attitude and obvious self-loathing--going by your posts so far, that is, like how porn will send you to hell because you're bad, but also weak even though that's clearly how God made you...?

I never said porn will send you to hell

Where do you come up with this stuff lol

 

[Andy Capp]

I never said porn will send you to hell

Where do you come up with this stuff lol

I admit that I don't know why I thought your post was directed at me--I got an alert, perhaps. Please disregard as misdirected.

 

[terrapin]

it feels like maybe something as punitive and important as the eternal damnation of your soul should be pretty crystal clear…

If you are going to hold a belief in eternal hell it would need be crystal clear. But it isn't and that's one of the many reasons I don't hold the belief.

I suppose some do hold to that position for the same reasons but just come to a different conclusion based on the same evidence. But most people have never really looked into the issue for themselves and just accept the position of their pastor or organization and don't even look into it.

 

[Source]

You call me a scumbag and that I have multiple bans. Can you provide proof of those statements?

Your posts in the trump CNN prove you’re a scumbag. They also expose your alleged humility and righteousness as being fake. The multiple bans are just an educated guess. It’s telling that you didn’t deny being a returning ban/s.

 

[44nutman]

Nothing encapsulates the Religious Right Political movement more than the biggest voice in Christian Nationalism, committed adultery on her husband with a dude that looks like Zangief from Street Fighter.
The real Christians I know don't need to remind you they are every other word, and always walk the walk. They also dont cheat on their spouses with people who look like video game characters. Pro-tip if someone constantly has to remind you of their faith, they are either after your wallet or want something sexual with you, your spouse or kid.