MSNBC claims Putin directly involved in US election hacking.

[xcvbn]

Why would the CIA or any of the 16 government agencies involved in this investigation show you anything specific that relates to a security breach and our national security? When has this ever occurred?

You're just some asshole posting on Sherdog like the rest of us.

So no proof?

This is just more WMDs

 

[WiolentOne]

"Correct" is not the issue, as I said. The source of the story is senior intelligence officials who talked to NBC. MSNBC is passing it on.

MSNBC isn't simply "passing it on". If they titled their video more accurately, "Intelligence Officials say..." that would actually be just "passing it on" and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[Rational Poster]

So no proof?

This is just more WMDs

17 government agencies as well as cyber security experts from multiple well respected security firms all seem to agree that this attack at the very least originated from Russia.

 

[Rational Poster]

Thanks for adding this, but it appears your source also has this to say:

"Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government. The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process."

Except that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. He's talking about hacking voting machines and how difficult/unlikely it is.

He very clearly confirmed that the DNC and multiple members of Hillary's campaign staff were targeted from parties that at least originated from Russia as they match the same identifiers from previous attacks from Russia.

 

[WiolentOne]

17 government agencies as well as cyber security experts from multiple well respected security firms all seem to agree that this attack at the very least originated from Russia.

Originating from the geographical region of Russia, and being orchestrated by Putin and the government of Russia are two very different things.

 

[Rational Poster]

Originating from the geographical region of Russia, and being orchestrated by Putin and the government of Russia are two very different things.

I don't disagree. But there is no denying this leads back to Russia... and frankly it's just getting annoying seeing people denying it.

Still with that said, I find it very hard to believe that there are hackers in Russia with capabilities to commit hacking on this scale that aren't in at least someway on tap by Russian intelligence agencies.

Basically, it's the equivalent of trying to convince me that everyone you know was hit by cruise missiles owned by Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov with no government help.

These types of capabilities are rarely possessed by individuals if ever.

 

[Deleted member 491001]

Except that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. He's talking about hacking voting machines and how difficult/unlikely it is.

He very clearly confirmed that the DNC and multiple members of Hillary's campaign staff were targeted from parties that at least originated from Russia as they match the same identifiers from previous attacks from Russia.

I understand, but when the headlines are "CIA says Russia hacked the elections" people are left wondering if they're saying "through leaking of phished emails prior to the election" or "by directly interfering with the voting process". This is a recent claim by the CIA, not the same claim as from the Oct 17th article you posted, so maybe you can understand someone trying to figure out which of those two scenarios the CIA is talking about.

 

[Rational Poster]

I understand, but when the headlines are "CIA says Russia hacked the elections" people are left wondering if they're saying "through leaking of phished emails prior to the election" or "by directly interfering with the voting process". This is a recent claim by the CIA, not the same claim as from the Oct 17th article you posted, so maybe you can understand someone trying to figure out which of those two scenarios the CIA is talking about.

I haven't seen anything that claims that Russia hacked our voting machines. Post it for me?

 

[Jack V Savage]

What attacks?

Also my only counterpoint to your original point was that at this level (an article being reposted in a different place online to be discussed in a separate conversation), it's not misleading to refer to the article itself as the source, since no one here is hearing the claim from the original source himself.

Like Post 82. The video isn't the source for the news. The source for the news is the officials who spoke to NBC.

 

[xcvbn]

17 government agencies as well as cyber security experts from multiple well respected security firms all seem to agree that this attack at the very least originated from Russia.

So it's no longer Putin who orchestrated it? I thought there was undeniable proof of the Russian government being behind it?

Just release some IP addresses, locations to those IP addresses, and time stamps all without redactions and I'll shut up. Until then they're just selling wolf tickets because they'd be foolish to shout to the world how easy it is to influence our election and how to do it- and I don't think our intelligence agencies are that incompetent. But maybe they are I don't know

 

[Rational Poster]

So it's no longer Putin who orchestrated it? I thought there was undeniable proof of the Russian government being behind it?

Just release some IP addresses, locations to those IP addresses, and time stamps all without redactions and I'll shut up. Until then they're just selling wolf tickets because they'd be foolish to shout to the world how easy it is to influence our election and how to do it- and I don't think our intelligence agencies are that incompetent. But maybe they are I don't know

I never claimed anything of the sort.

Why would the government ever release anything that specific about an ongoing investigation?

 

[Pale Man In Black]

MSNBC.

 

[xcvbn]

I never claimed anything of the sort.

Why would the government ever release anything that specific about an ongoing investigation?

Dude, this is the point I'm trying to convey to you and others. Why would the government unequivocally say that it was Putin and Russians at this point in the investigation? That's being pretty fucking specific and they're only a few months into the investigation. This type of stuff ALWAYS drags on, and even then we're fed pieces to the story bit by bit over the course of months or years.

 

[Rational Poster]

Dude, this is the point I'm trying to convey to you and others. Why would the government unequivocally say that it was Putin and Russians at this point in the investigation? That's being pretty fucking specific and they're only a few months into the investigation. This type of stuff ALWAYS drags on, and even then we're fed pieces to the story bit by bit over the course of months or years.

Because it seems to me like they have 9 out of 10 dots connected.

Cozy/Fancy bear just need a more direct link to the Russian government exposed.

 

[xcvbn]

Because it seems to me like they have 9 out of 10 dots connected.

Cozy/Fancy bear just need a more direct link to the Russian government exposed.

Well it seems to me they're full of shit or the Russians are idiots who don't know what a VPN is.

Matter of fact fuck it, I'm going with both. The CIA is overselling the narrative for some ulterior motive and Mother Russia is too stupid to know how to use a proper VPN without logs.

 

[Rational Poster]

Well it seems to me they're full of shit or the Russians are idiots who don't know what a VPN is.

Matter of fact fuck it, I'm going with both. The CIA is overselling the narrative for some ulterior motive and Mother Russia is too stupid to know how to use a proper VPN without logs.

lol if you think the CIA and NSA can't trace you through a VPN...

 

[xcvbn]

lol if you think the CIA and NSA can't trace you through a VPN...

Tru I'm firing these things off and being forgetful about NSA's capabilities. Even Tor has been compromised for a while now but it's not like they can trace everybody- all these kiddie porn mother fuckers and drug dealers still find ways to hide.

 

[Rational Poster]

Tru I'm firing these things off and being forgetful about NSA's capabilities. Even Tor has been compromised for a while now but it's not like they can trace everybody- all these kiddie porn mother fuckers and drug dealers still find ways to hide.

From what I understand, at this level, they use hardware and infrastructure tracing rather than IP tracing. It's more definite.

Getting traced by your IP is Hollywood/last century.

 

[Deleted member 491001]

I haven't seen anything that claims that Russia hacked our voting machines. Post it for me?

I haven't either, but when headlines broke regarding this story there were ones like "CIA source concludes Russians 'hacked election'" with no details on how, so it left people wondering if the CIA was talking about more proof the Russian state was behind DNC/Clinton campaign leaked emails, or whether it was some new conclusion they tampered with the voting process.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

So MSNBC is not claiming that Putin is directly involved from sources including former intelligence officials and documents as reported by a parent company in NBC?

Please, educate me.

MSNBC isn't making the claim, they are reporting on the claim. Its not that misleading as I sure most people assumed that was what was going on.