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Hello, Mayberry. I'm going to try to do the short version of this story and focus on the request, but even the short version of this is going to be long, so thanks up top to anyone who even reads the whole thing ;)

If you don't know me, in addition to being a Sherdog mod, which means that I'm obviously rich and buff and bench way more than 275 and am just drowning in Internet mod groupie tail, I'm also a film professor and I publish academic writing on film. I'm currently writing a chapter for a collection on Michelle Yeoh. It's the second chapter that I'm writing on her. In the first chapter, I focused on Yeoh in isolation, so to speak; I explored her individual star persona as a powerful feminine/feminist fighting star. Blah blah blah. In this new chapter, I want to explore her in relation to other characters in her films. This idea is pretty much entirely so that I have an excuse to write about Royal Warriors, which rules if you haven't seen it. Aside from the action - which includes the greatest action scene on a plane in film history - my favorite part about Royal Warriors is the relationship between Yeoh and Hiroyuki Sanada...because it is NOT actually a relationship. It is even part of a love triangle between Yeoh, Sanada, and Michael Wong...except that it is NOT a love triangle.

I have noticed this phenomenon in action and martial arts movies in different guises. In short, I am fascinated by action and martial arts movies which choose NOT to foreground (or, more accurately, SHOEHORN IN) a romantic subplot amidst the action. In the Hollywood context, an obvious bad example of this is the Liam Neeson movie Unknown. I just rewatched it (as part of a big Neeson-athon) and I still think that it is one of his coolest non-Taken action movies, but I hated the choice to shove him and Diane Kruger together. It was so contrived and implausible. If anything, they should have gone deeper into his relationship with January Jones. The "happy ending" with the goofy vacation date thing was just awful. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the paradigm case of how you do this with no romance whatsoever is Predator. You have a group of soldiers on a mission who now have to deal with an alien monster hunting them in the jungle. Granted, they find Elpidia Carrillo, but how dumb would it have been if John McTiernan had tried to build a love story between her and Arnold? They had enough on their plate getting to da choppa.

Most intriguing in the Hollywood action context is Aliens. This and Royal Warriors are my favorite examples of what I like to think of as "non-love stories." I am not sure what else to call them. They are not ANTI-love stories, but they are also not ACTUAL love stories. They occur in films where there is no time for a love story to truly blossom. In Aliens, Michael Biehn checks Sigourney Weaver out as soon as they wake up on the ship, and he catches her eye, too...but there is the issue of a whole planet of aliens trying to kill them. They are never able to have a true courtship, and yet there are wonderful moments like when he shows her how to use the sci-fi weaponry (which plays like a first date) and when they exchange first names (which has as much weight as if they had finally boned).

This is what I love in Royal Warriors. Sanada catches Yeoh's eye right away, and there are clearly sparks there, but first the guy's married with a kid, so she is not going to play homewrecker, and then when the wife and kid get killed (spoilers, I know, but it came out in 1986, so it's your fault if you haven't seen it already) she is not going to jump his bones. The timing is never right, but the emotions are there, and it adds such a great dynamic to the film. Yeoh played this sort of character more than once, a character who has feelings for someone that, for whatever reason(s), she cannot act on, or at least cannot act on the way that she would like. Royal Warriors and The Heroic Trio are the freshest in my mind, while I need to rewatch Tai Chi Master, The Stunt Woman, and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon to see the specifics of how she relates to Jet Li, Sammo Hung, and Chow Yun-fat.

My larger point, though, and the way that I will frame my chapter, is that this is not unique to Yeoh. That said, I am just one movie nerd sitting around trying to come up with more examples. I need my fellow Mayberry movie nerds to help me with more examples like Aliens and Royal Warriors. I don't need more movies like Predator, where there just is no love story, and not movies like The Way of the Dragon, where Nora Miao seems at times to want more with Bruce Lee while he is largely oblivious. I am looking for movies where there is clearly something there between two characters that they both register but do not do anything about.

Beyond Yeoh's films, which I will obviously already be rewatching and considering in detail, I can think of Rumble in the Bronx maybe, but I need to rewatch it and check the relationship between Jackie Chan and Françoise Yip; Kiss of the Dragon definitely, with Jet Li and Bridget Fonda, which importantly contributes to Li's "good guy" character from his time as Wong Fei-hung (whose relationship with Aunt Thirteen in the Once Upon a Time in China films also seems fitting); Exit Wounds, with the great dynamic between Steven Seagal and Jill Hennessy (which is full of sexual tension as opposed to the entirely platonic relationship between Seagal and Joan Chen in On Deadly Ground); even old school Westerns like Shane and The Searchers, where the cowboy heroes are motivated by love for married women that they can never act on. But I know that there have to be more examples.

What do you say, Mayberry? @europe1, @HenryFlower, @moreorless87, @Dragonlordxxxxx, what say you? You know any other movies that fit this bill?

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Thanks in advance, Mayberrians.
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Top of my head, does Pacific Rim count? The leads clearly were attracted to each other but didn't do anything overtly romantic and just hugged each other in the end after surviving the apocalypse.

I was thinking Edge of Tomorrow but Emily Blunt kissed Tom Cruise at the end, so does that disqualify the movie?

Tenet might fit. John David Washington and Elizabeth Debicki had something going on but never pursued it.

I'll try to think of more if I can.
 
Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation

Ethan Hunt and Ilsa Faust were clearly attracted to each other but didn't do anything about it. Even in the succeeding sequels, they never did anything glaringly romantic (but I'm not quite sure with Dead Reckoning).
 
Top of my head, does Pacific Rim count? The leads clearly were attracted to each other but didn't do anything overtly romantic and just hugged each other in the end after surviving the apocalypse.

I was thinking Edge of Tomorrow but Emily Blunt kissed Tom Cruise at the end, so does that disqualify the movie?

Tenet might fit. John David Washington and Elizabeth Debicki had something going on but never pursued it.

I'll try to think of more if I can.

Never saw Pacific Rim, but it's going on my watchlist. Edge of Tomorrow is tricky because of all of the "days" we don't see. What did/didn't happen when? I'd also be inclined to disqualify it if there's even a kiss at the end, hence something like Under Siege doesn't qualify because it's almost like we've been building to it this whole time if they could just stop the bad guys so they could get down to business. But Edge of Tomorrow is definitely closer to what I'm thinking than Under Siege because it has those moments of emotion/longing that Andrew Davis never slows down for in Under Siege.

But Tenet is a perfect fucking call, totally slipped my mind but that's absolutely getting included.

Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation

Ethan Hunt and Ilsa Faust were clearly attracted to each other but didn't do anything about it. Even in the succeeding sequels, they never did anything glaringly romantic (but I'm not quite sure with Dead Reckoning).

Not sure about that one because there's Michelle Monaghan in there. I haven't watched that series in a while and I'm behind at least one if not two movies, but did he leave her to keep her safe or are they doing a secret long distance thing to keep her safe? In other words, what's his relationship status when Ilsa shows up?

This is all exactly what I'm looking for, though. Thanks for all these titles. Keep 'em coming, people!

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@ufcfan4, @Highway99, I know there are more movie folks out there. I'm a pedantic uber nerd and I want as many titles as possible, and I don't want Dragon to have to do all the heavy lifting 😁
 
Not sure about that one because there's Michelle Monaghan in there. I haven't watched that series in a while and I'm behind at least one if not two movies, but did he leave her to keep her safe or are they doing a secret long distance thing to keep her safe? In other words, what's his relationship status when Ilsa shows up?
I think they're divorced when Ilsa shows up. But try to watch Rogue Nation again because I think this fits your criteria. The romantic attraction between Ethan and Ilsa is just palpable.
 
I think they're divorced when Ilsa shows up. But try to watch Rogue Nation again because I think this fits your criteria. The romantic attraction between Ethan and Ilsa is just palpable.

Now that I'm thinking, is that the one where they show up at some Peace Corps makeshift hospital and she's there and it's going to blow up or something? Does she have a new dude? My memories are coming back and I'm remembering not liking that they retconned/changed that fantastic ending to Ghost Protocol where they're together but no one knows it.
 
Now that I'm thinking, is that the one where they show up at some Peace Corps makeshift hospital and she's there and it's going to blow up or something? Does she have a new dude? My memories are coming back and I'm remembering not liking that they retconned/changed that fantastic ending to Ghost Protocol where they're together but no one knows it.
That scene you mentioned is Mission: Impossible - Fallout. Yeah Monaghan has a new husband played by Wes Bentley.
 
I'm remembering not liking that they retconned/changed that fantastic ending to Ghost Protocol where they're together but no one knows it.
In Ghost Protocol, Ethan cut off ties with her and gave her a new identity to keep her safe. They're not together but he still watches over her from time to time. That was my take on the ending.
 
That scene you mentioned is Mission: Impossible - Fallout. Yeah Monaghan has a new husband played by Wes Bentley.

Fucking franchises, I can't keep all these movies straight in my head!

In Ghost Protocol, Ethan cut off ties with her and gave her a new identity to keep her safe. They're not together but he still watches over her from time to time. That was my take on the ending.

Hmm, maybe I retconned the plot in my own head. If he's just watching over her, that's lame. I thought he faked her death so she could live her life freely but he's still in her life, just a secret agent style marriage. Granted, after the events of the third film, him walking away to keep her safe wouldn't be unfathomable, but I loved that storyline so much and I love the idea of them staying together even amidst the insanity of the impossible missions...I don't want it to be over.

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Boy thats a super specific category of movie.

The only one off the top of my head might be Hard Target (1993). Its been a while since I've seen it, but I don't think there was an overt sexuality between JCVD and Yancy Butler...It may fall into the Predator side of things.

But its always worth watching for this moment alone:




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Big trouble in little China

Only saw it once and it was so long ago, I don't even remember it. On the watchlist. And on the subject, isn't there a reporter or corporate woman in They Live while Roddy's running around with Keith David?
 
Boy thats a super specific category of movie.

The only one off the top of my head might be Hard Target (1993). Its been a while since I've seen it, but I don't think there was an overt sexuality between JCVD and Yancy Butler...It may fall into the Predator side of things.

But its always worth watching for this moment alone:




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Super specific is what I do 😁

I've been meaning to refresh my memory on the Van Damme films. I hadn't thought of Hard Target, but I have down Maximum Risk to rewatch, which I'm remembering as a twin brother thing (one of many for JCVD) with no actual romance because it'd be too weird. Now Hard Target is on the list, too.
 
Mad Max: Fury Road

Personally I don't believe Max and Furiosa were romantically attracted to each other (it could have if they spent more time together). I believe they just mutually respected each other at the end. But others could interpret their relationship in another way.
 
Good suggestion but they kissed which under Bullitt's criteria disqualifies it.



Hmm, that's more like Rumble in the Bronx (which I rewatched this afternoon): They're brought together, they're all set to get it going, but the shit's not done hitting the fan. More interrupted than unconsummated. But still interesting.
 
I've been meaning to refresh my memory on the Van Damme films. I hadn't thought of Hard Target, but I have down Maximum Risk to rewatch, which I'm remembering as a twin brother thing (one of many for JCVD) with no actual romance because it'd be too weird. Now Hard Target is on the list, too.
Skip rewatching Maximum Risk. 100% sure they boned because that love scene was burned in my memory due to my crush with Natasha Henstridge at that time.
 
Mad Max: Fury Road

Personally I don't believe Max and Furiosa were romantically attracted to each other (it could have if they spent more time together). I believe they just mutually respected each other at the end. But others could give it interpret their relationship in another way.
Skip rewatching Maximum Risk. 100% sure they boned.

I just rewatched Fury Road for the first time since what IIRC @europe1 dubbed the Mad Max Heresy in the SMD, back when I enraged the entire thread for thinking it sucked. It still sucks. I have no desire to think about or write about that one. As for Maximum Risk, I did just rewatch Species, and since Natasha Henstridge is in Maximum Risk, I'm keeping it on the list for research purposes even if it's a different kind of "research purpose" ;)
 
Super specific is what I do 😁

I've been meaning to refresh my memory on the Van Damme films. I hadn't thought of Hard Target, but I have down Maximum Risk to rewatch, which I'm remembering as a twin brother thing (one of many for JCVD) with no actual romance because it'd be too weird. Now Hard Target is on the list, too.


Please forgive me if there turns out to be close-up vagina penetration at some point.
 
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