Mounting

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by thecas, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. thecas

    thecas Blue Belt

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    Any 1 here feels much more secure holding the side mount than full mount? In side mount just hold tight and all other thing u worry about is just that his leg dun get u back to .5 guard.

    In full mount very frequently I get Upaed, esp when I try sumthing. Seeking opinion.
     
  2. Big Red

    Big Red Green Belt

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    If I have my hips pressed down & knee in their side I feel pretty secure however, I'm not a fast grappler so when I go to switch to knee on belly or full mount or even going for a sub, I need to change my position & this is where peple seem to obtain guard or half guard on me. Mount for me, is not 100% secure, but I feel better as you can keep them secured & be offensive without having to alter your position too much. I have a new thing when having mount where I stay very low on their chest, have my elbows at the top their shoulders, knees below their arm pits & my head pressed on down just behind theirs. For me, it aids my balance like this & as I said I'm slow, I've got to keep my opponent unsure what I'm up too, all he can see, is my non existant 6 pack.
     
  3. katolotus

    katolotus Yellow Belt

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    I know what you mean about the mount. I'm newish to grappling (1 year) and have found I get reversed out of mount too easily.

    What I tend to do now is hold a lose mount with not much weight on them (mostly on my feet and knees) and pretend to go for something. When you feel them going you can lift up and take their back. Committing too much weight to pin works against you if they are bigger or stonger. On light guys, I try to move up to their chest and sit up. I can then look for an S-mount or Tri-angle attempt.

    Still getting caught occasionally, but much less now. More experience guys will probably be able to help more. But as a new guy I've found the above improved my mount greatly.
     
  4. Half Boston Crab

    Half Boston Crab Purple Belt

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    You've got to balance yourself with your hands on the mat, when you're in the mount. Spread your arms wide and post yourself. You can also put all your weight on one side and post on that side. If you think about this it will be harder to upa you.
     
  5. alexgncw

    alexgncw Guest

    here's my take on keeping full mount in bjj ... don't its one thing to do it in mma where you can drop some punches forcing the opponent to defend themselves thus taking away the easy sweep in bjj however they have a lot of time to get their hands and legs in position to reverse it so when i do get a full mount in grappling i go for the sub right away i never like to just sit there and wait for them to do something
     
  6. TapDG

    TapDG Guest

    Yea..I seem to get sweeped pretty easily and feel MUCH better in side mount.
     
  7. thedon_1

    thedon_1 Orange Belt

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    When i started BJJ everyone at my club with a high belt treated the side mount as the most dangerous for the other person, and the best place for control.
     
  8. Cojofl

    Cojofl Brown Belt

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    Building up your core strength, even just with bodweight stuff, can go al ong way towards improving you mount stability.
     
  9. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    I grapevine their legs and flatten out so my cup is digging into their abs, and my chest is pressed down on his face. In pure grappling I really never sit up from this position as that often indeed leads to getting reversed.

    A trick for having a more balanced mount if you absolutely feel like you have to sit up is to flatten your feet out to the sides. It feels a bit odd at first, but it's a little extra bit of base he'll have to overcome to sweep you.

    But like I said, why sit up at all. With your chest pressed down on his face and your arms posted wide you won't get reversed. From here you can work a side-choke and go off transitions from there.

    Something that works really good for me is to smother him like this, as soon as he brings an arm up to push on my chest and try to make some room I push it across his face and wrap my arm around his neck trapping that arm under my armpit. Now just squeeze this grip together hard and it will be very uncomfortable to breathe for him. Usually he will try to slip that arm out and the only place it can go is between his head and yours sticking straight up. NOw you can actually arm-bar him never sitting up by just grabbing it with the hand not wrapped around his neck and using your head pressing against his elbow...

    That might be hard to visualize but it works like a charm.
     
  10. wildcard_seven

    wildcard_seven Purple Belt

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    I agree that the mount is better for MMA. I have an additional beef with it too... I have long legs, and also had a few knee injuries. I rarely get upa'ed but when people attempt it it bends on my ankles and somehow tweaks my knees...really shitty. But when I do take mount this trick really helps...The "Bitch Choke". I learned it when I used to train at Straight Blast Gym.

    Get mount, then do a classic Frankenstein "movie choke", you know-just throttling somebody. In itself, this is nothing, no one will tap to this, but everybody will reach up and peel your hands off. When they reach up to take your hands off you can freely drive your knees nice and deep into their armpits-and they almost always use two hands.

    Instant high mount. Very difficult to trap an ankle and upa.
     
  11. wildcard_seven

    wildcard_seven Purple Belt

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    I like yours too I-Shoji.
     
  12. Zankou

    Zankou Muscle and Hate Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Side mount is definitely the toughest mount to get out of. If you block the hip and get the cross face, the other guy is basically doomed -- although your own offense is also stalled. The key is to block that hip.

    With both mount and side mount I like to latch on first in control mode, let the other guy spazz around trying to get out, and then work for subs once he gets tired and dispirited. With mount, I like to grapevine my legs, lifting his off the floor, lay down with my hands out, and just sit there while he tries to spazz around. Like cross face side mount, there's not really any offense you can do (except the Ezekiel), but it's almost impossible for the guy to do anything. Tire him out, watch for mistakes, seize on them.
     
  13. Side mount (or Side Control, as I like to call it) is great for control because the opponent has very little place to move when you do it right. Also, when escaping side control, its difficult to reverse your opponent so your on top. So side control is a good place to be If you want to be on top, the worst that happens is you end up in the guys guard. There's a whole bunch of hard to reverse submissions from side control as well (kimura, straight arm lock, keylock, arm triangle choke).

    With the mount, it's really a high risk high reward situation. If you drill the mount and get good at it, than it can be a dangerous weapon in your arsenal. The problem is that most submissions from the mount either lose you position if the opponent escapes, or you have to dish off to side control. Also, with the mount, the most used way to escape is to buck and get the guy off of you, reversing the position. So if you have a good guard, that makes the mount an even better place, because the subs can flow more freely, since you dont worry about being reversed.
     
  14. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

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    Mount is definitely a position that requires considerable skill to maintain in grappling. It's definitely more of a threat in MMA or with a gi. There are some subs (other than armbars) that don't risk the complete loss of position.
     
  15. Big Red

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    I have seen that before, your feet turned inwards to give more balance. I've yet to try it grappling & practice making it a habit.
     
  16. Enron Exec.

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    It depends on who I am rolling against
    Some guys are awesome at repositionting when you have them in sidecontrol as well as mount.
     
  17. TwIsTeD&BrOkEn

    TwIsTeD&BrOkEn With These Hands I Control The Fate of Millions

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    yeah, I like sidemount better.
     
  18. Big Red

    Big Red Green Belt

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    S mount? Do you mean the position where you go for an armbar & have one leg raised & one on their chest?
     
  19. Mark Allen

    Mark Allen Enforcer

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    Full mount is a weapon in it's self. It is a great phyc weapon, especially as some of you have posted, with the chest on the face. The key to it for me is to be as limp as possible, anytime you tighten up you become that much easier to remove. Also one mount position is not enough, you must know all and when to switch on the guy. At our school we teach (I beleive at last count) 26 submissions from full mount, and not all require you to degrade your position.
     
  20. Half Boston Crab

    Half Boston Crab Purple Belt

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    You get some points for the mount as well.
     

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