mount + no gi = no as useful as side control, no gi?

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  1. vern_Fonk Orange Belt

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    whenever i pass guard, i like to stay in side control. especially with the gi where i can grab the guy's pants/collar, etc and just make his life miserable untill a submission opens up. however, lately i've been experimenting with the mount more and, with gi , its not a problem as there are gi chokes and what not available. but in no gi, if the opponent has his hands down, preventing u from reaching high mount, its damn near impossible to submit him. the points are great if you're into that game, but whatelse can you do if his hands are down? thanks.
     
  2. Slithers Green Belt

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    ezekiel choke
     
  3. ahcshon Purple Belt

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    I think he means what can you do in no gi, from full mount. Im not sure, but after reading the post around 6 times I think its what he means. I could be wrong though.

    Well, if you feel like you can't get the armbar, triangle, etc from mount, why not grapevine his legs and work for an armtriangle or something. Make it miserable for your opponent while conserving your energy.

    And for future reference...





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  4. Fwogz1 Blue Belt

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    If he has his hands close to his body like a t-rex. I like to with one hand reach behind his head and try to get wrist control. Most of the time they will shrimp to the side I have there wrist, which from there I grab the other wrist pull it across their throat and will go for the back. If that makes sense.
     
  5. vern_Fonk Orange Belt

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    hmm my post seems fine to me, but then again i've been dropped so many times on my head, so...

    what would you do in no gi, in the mount, if the guy has his hands down, and hes not giving you any openings?
     
  6. whipyourasstyle Exitus acta probat

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    You can use a modified Ezekiel choke of sorts in Nogi. :redface:
     
  7. Fwogz1 Blue Belt

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    Do you mean like his hands down as his side, like his gonna try to go out the back door? Be ready to stay on top, go to north south or side. You could also put your forearm into his throat, then they'll have to bring their hands up to push your arm off. That could free up something.
     
  8. ahcshon Purple Belt

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    After 2+ years of BJJ training I will be honest and say I am not familiar with a no gi ezekiel. I suppose I fail.:icon_conf
     
  9. whipyourasstyle Exitus acta probat

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    ^^^
    Here it is from guard:

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  10. DirectDrive Black Belt

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    you just get the cross face and "fold your arms" with their neck in there.
     
  11. armtriangle Brown Belt

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    moves you can stay mounted and still get:
    ezekiel
    gift wrap choke
    mounted guillotine
    americana / straight armbar


    moves you have to leave mount, but are good to set up from mount:
    armbar
    armtriangle
    triangle
    several leg locks (but i am anti-leglock)

    but i like side control better than mount too. in gi and no gi. the only thing i like better about mount is you can rest a little more
     
  12. Jimmy Cerra Amateur Fighter

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    Don't forget the bull rider leg lock!!! (It only works once, though.)
     
  13. armtriangle Brown Belt

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    is that where you grapevine the legs and walk your hips back and up?

    i saw that in a book and tried it a few times... i think my legs are too long or something.
     
  14. Jimmy Cerra Amateur Fighter

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    Ya. I won this match with it:

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  15. armtriangle Brown Belt

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    nice. ive seen some of your vids, you have alot more flexibility in your knees and hips than i have. i think that helps in maintaining the grapevine. also shorter legs help create tightness, i think. when i have attempted this move (admittedly, not very often and not at any depth) there was alot of space when i tried to create pressure
     
  16. SFinclined Purple Belt

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    In no-gi mount I like to fake the keylock and when they roll on their side to defend, switch to technical mount and armbar,gift wrap, or kimura.
     
  17. Shemhazai Black Belt

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    If they roll on their side you can also go for a brabo choke.
     
  18. Mikey Triangles Bending Joints the Wrong Way Since 1985

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    not really. it's a really shitty annoying noob choke, lol.
     
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    Noob or not, it's really funny to see someone try and clown someone else and they just end up looking like the clown.
     
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