International Mother who called for mass deportations after Southport massacre and called UK Gov ‘treacherous’ has prison appeal rejected

KnightTemplar said:
She was scared, middle-class woman and given shit advice by her lawyer. Ironically, any experienced criminal in that situation would have laughed at the coppers and told them, "See you in court". Because he'd know he stood a good chance of beating the charges if it came to trial.
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Of course, but I still stand by my assessment. Even google or reddit would have given her better advice lol.
 
The Big Yin said:
Anyone in the UK interviewed by the police is entitled to free legal advice - which is often provided by the duty solicitor from one of many local firms. Sometimes it can even be one of their legal reps - not a full solicitor, but trained to give advice.

People in the UK generally don't have their own solicitor for criminal matters, but may choose a specific firm if they've been in trouble regularly

If the case is heard at a lower court, called the Magistrates, the solicitor will represent them. If the trial is escalated to the Crown Court, they will be allocated a barrister free of charge. If the trial is serious, such as murder, you can have what's called a Silk allocated (Kings Counsel) these are senior barristers.

You can pay for better solicitors/barristers to represent you
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Very interesting. So for the most part people don't hire their own legal representation, even for criminal cases? Can you pay for "better" counsel at any point during this process?
 
Croo67 said:
Most of those arrested during this time didn’t, with it speculated that they were pressured and/or given incorrect advice.
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Here in the US, if you take the court appointed lawyer or even just a "cheap" lawyer, it's widely known and accepted that you will be given shit advice. Apparently this is not the case in the UK.
 
lowlife said:
Very interesting. So for the most part people don't hire their own legal representation, even for criminal cases? Can you pay for "better" counsel at any point during this process?
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You can appoint your own professionals whenever you like.

This ladies problem was... she publicly advocated burning down buildings with people in them, at a time of high tension. People who would have normally got light sentences for public disorder received far heavier sentences because of the surrounding events.

If there's a lesson to be learned here... don't suggest burning down buildings full of people and you'll probably be fine.
 
lowlife said:
Here in the US, if you take the court appointed lawyer or even just a "cheap" lawyer, it's widely known and accepted that you will be given shit advice. Apparently this is not the case in the UK.
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Yes, but this period was unprecedented - they were quite literally releasing real criminals to make space for people posting things online.

2,000 criminals, including violent sexual offenders, were released early in a single day.

The UK Government was hell bent on spooking people into silence.

europeanconservative.com

UK: Starmer Releasing Drug Dealers and Con Men From Prison Early

Some are being replaced by individuals who posted hateful comments online after the Southport stabbing.
europeanconservative.com europeanconservative.com
 
lowlife said:
Very interesting. So for the most part people don't hire their own legal representation, even for criminal cases? Can you pay for "better" counsel at any point during this process?
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It's complicated, but yes you can. Nearly everyone is entitled to a degree of legal aid to defend yourself. But let's say you want to get yourself out of a speeding ticket, there are specialist law firms who can assist - who you would have to pay.

In the case of big trials, your barrister is free but you can pay for a legal firm to come in and do the research, pay for experts who will contest evidence etc. which will assist you in getting off. You can pay for your own barrister to represent you if you don't want the one allocated. Our barristers work both as prosecutors and defenders.

Civil cases are what cost the money as that's entirely funded by the person bringing the case/defendant.
 
Meanwhile in the US, we got former FBI directors calling for the 47th president to be 86'd with no consequences.

Clown world we live in.
 
Gamer2k4 said:
Right and wrong transcends culture. It's wrong to jail someone for five years because of a blurb they typed on a whim and deleted shortly after, no matter what culture it is.
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I was joking, and do not think she should have been, though I don't think all "rights" and "wrongs" are universal. Many cultures have many differences in what they consider them to be. There are some that are universal(murder/rape), imo, but not all rights and wrongs are.

Never came across anyone who should be the ultimate arbiter of these things.
 
FIMN said:
You can appoint your own professionals whenever you like.

This ladies problem was... she publicly advocated burning down buildings with people in them, at a time of high tension. People who would have normally got light sentences for public disorder received far heavier sentences because of the surrounding events.

If there's a lesson to be learned here... don't suggest burning down buildings full of people and you'll probably be fine.
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She deleted the tweet soon after she posted it, and posted several other tweets denouncing the riots.

If there is a lesson here it is: never trust a politician. And make damn sure you pay for a good lawyer.
 
King Joffery said:
Not quite, she said "Set fire to them for all I care" so she is just saying she is apathetic about them being set on fire but isn't calling for it specifically.
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That's actually a hell of a distinction. If that's true, wow.
 
Anewt said:
Yeah sorry


The post, which she later deleted, said: 'Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care... if that makes me racist so be it.'.


Mass deportation is fine yo ask for..

Set fire to the hotels theyre in.... thats a crime

Obviously just a angry twitter post but trying to pass it off as jail for the mass deportion comment. Not the set fire to the hotelds full of the bastards....

Conflating the two is trash honestly.

Edit - does is deserve that sentance. Not to me . Especially when compared with violent crime.

But. She isnt being jailed for calling for mass deportation
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I guess if you consider a nobody woman as a credible risk, this is similar to the lady in the US wishing death to healthcare provider following the luigi incident.

“Delay, deny, depose. You people are next.”

She is out on bond, it’s kind of bullshit, as if a mother of three (both cases), can pull it off.
 
Kassitus said:
Not Voltaire. Also Voltaire believed in all the enlightenment liberal values that made the West become progressive.
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It's attributed to Voltaire, in much the same way that,

"A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths are a statistic"

Is attributed to Stalin.

Voltaire also believed that the perfect form of government was democracy moderated by frequent assassinations. He was right. 😈
 
She should take up the role of the martyr, spread her message on social media, get her family on GB News giving a passionate speech every Tuesday night. They are giving her all the moral ammunition she needs.
 
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