Most suitable Judo Throw for MMA/no Gi

[vcmmafan]

i think that would be a terrible throw for nogi mma..

Karo taught it in his Judo for MMA dvd/book lol

Speaking of which...his DVD seems to have fallen off the face of the earth. You can't find that shit anywhere now.

The book I've found before.

 

[Chungungo]

Of course, you have to push off of the cage to create distance, and if you're opponent is pushing you very hard, and uf you have a deep overhook, then it's a great time to do it

So you prefer it heading to the cage or your back standing against it ?

That's some fuckin narly Ukemi, LOL!

Holy shit I remember taking some like that when I was what a brand new Ikkyu trying to look like the big boys?

Limped for a month after taking one of those right on the seam of the tatami, haha!

Green on the wolf hunt again!

LOL!

One sensei told me that one could be the worst judoca in competition but if you have decent ukemi at least you can compete against anyone in a relaxed way...obviously this guy had a terrible coach-.--

 

[ArtemV]

So you prefer it heading to the cage or your back standing against it ?

Heading to the cage of course, it would make no sense to try it if you were stuck up against it lol. I do it when somebody is driving in to me with an underhook, as long as I can get momentum and a deep overhook, I am happy.

 

[CFGroup]

Karo taught it in his Judo for MMA dvd/book lol

Speaking of which...his DVD seems to have fallen off the face of the earth. You can't find that shit anywhere now.

The book I've found before.

Gimme, gimme, gimme!

Some o' dat Karo Judo porn.....

What 2 much?

Oops!

 

[Chungungo]

Heading to the cage of course, it would make no sense to try it if you were stuck up against it lol. I do it when somebody is driving in to me with an underhook, as long as I can get momentum and a deep overhook, I am happy.

Now I get it, thank´s

 

[TrevorRoss]

Literally the exact opposite. Many judo throws are no longer allowed in judo competition, but all, to my knowledge, are legal in BJJ.

Seriously they're banning throws now! First they watered down the ground attacks! At this rate we're going to be left with lapel hand fighting!

 

[AshiharaFan]

Seriously they're banning throws now! First they watered down the ground attacks! At this rate we're going to be left with lapel hand fighting!

Basically already deteriorated to this.

 

[QingTian]

The best throw is whichever you master, as any throw can be adapted. But generally speaking the main problem with MMA is that it is harder to force engagement, along with strikes. So your window of opportunity is much less for throwing.

The way to solve this is to take more lock-up type grips and positions, which then favors lever type throws more (which do not rely on your opponent's movement as much).

However if you are a phenomenal thrower who can seize opportunities on the fly, then any throw works. It takes great skill to improvise grips and throw on first contact. I would say not even the big Judo names in MMA have really demonstrated this (not that they had to for the most part).

 

[-guerilla-]

Any Judo throw will work great in any other grappling sport, just modify your grip.

Judo and wrestling have overlap throws.

Kata guruma/fireman carry
Seionage/underarm spin
O goshi/hip toss
Yoko gake/lateral drop

They almost all overlaps at least somewhat except for a few outliers like tomo nage

I teach judo variant throws in my highschool wrestling program and some REALLY work well and are a big supprise.

For MMA one of my favorite series is wizzer to uchi mata/tai otoshi and keep the arm as tight as possible and you should be able to step into an armbar.

The wizzer is probably the ultimate judo variant grip to transfer judo to no gi

I don't initiate any shoulder throws (sionage/underarm spin) unless its a give away counter, NEVER attack with them cause when you miss they will wind up on your back!

Remember Sumo is practically
no-gi Judo.

In Hawaii we did sumo in the summer and judo in the "winter"

"SUMO drills" are SUPER fun in the gym especially if you have a lot of kids.

It's terrible what they've done to olympic JUDO...banning all leg grips

As of 2016 competition judo is WORTHLESS for MMA

 

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[SherdogLawyer]

Left osoto from orthodox stance against another orthodox fighter like Akiyama and Zabit is super effective.

 

[Human Bass]

Old thread, but let me say Tai Otoshi, doesn't require as much explosion as Uchi Mata.

 

[rmongler]

Statistically, kosoto gaki/gari. Aka polish throw/step-around.

 

[RJ Green]

Old thread, but let me say Tai Otoshi, doesn't require as much explosion as Uchi Mata.

bruh how? nogi tai otoshi you're doing it off of either a collar tie or 2-on-1? uchimata you've got those grips, plus headlock, whizzer, and underhook, plus ken-ken, and if you whiff or fuck it up you're still probably going to be able to scramble into half. if you whiff tai-o in nogi you're basically inviting them to jump on your back...

 

[tekkenfan]

i use to think uchi mata but now i think harai goshi i notice guys can scramble up to there feat faster after a unchi mata cause they have that free leg i guess and harai your legs are around theirs so u could land on top i think its harder to scramble back to feat after

 

[tekkenfan]

Uchi mata and harai goshi variants from over/under lock up. More control than wizzer and better ability to knock wind out of opponent. I dont like giving up an underhool on the wizzer after a throw.

yeah ill try t hit a hard uchi mata off a underhook u see it a lot today

 

[tekkenfan]

Ouchi Gari and/or outside leg trip from the double under hooks or possibly from over-under clinch. If successful you can end up on top, though you'll probably end up landing inside your opponent's guard. Sanae Kikuta (a Judoka from Japan who fought in Pride and King of Pancrase) was pretty good at doing this. It was his signature move.

the way judo guys do the inside trip i dont like for mma they dont drop all the way down to there knee do they

 

[shunyata]

all of them

YES




But to dumb it down, as a lanky guy my highest % are harai goshi, reaps, trips, and foot sweeps.

This seems rare in actual mma though. Usually the opponent defends the throw strong against the underhook side. My judo teacher would say it's the lack of space that prevents the correct pull and entry to the throw ... the over under clinch makes the classic judo throw entry too tight.

I think that's why the overhook is most common as the forward throw grip in mma. It usually works as an underhook counter when you have one guy trying to penetrate and get a body lock or double off the underhook.

Yeah my Harai Goshi is usually off an overhook when it works.

 

[Ryo]

There are several

However, if I had to choose one I would without a doubt say Harai Goshi.

It is vastly superior in most respects for MMA purposes then say Uchimata.

 

[Bluesbreaker]

I very seldom train no gi, but some I've been able to translate well:
o uchi
de ashi
uki waza/yoko otoshi