He did when he fought Mike Brown (for the belt in WEC) for exampleAldo never uses his BJJ lol
He only shoots for desperation takedowns when he is hurt or gassed, i.e. Hominick and Holloway fights
Cub Swanson is a blackbelt who has been grappling for 15 years. Not like he doesn't have the ability to stop a takedown.
Agree that Maia has good wrestling for a BJJ centric fighter. Not sure if it has anything to do with him being humble, maybe more with being realistic..
Exactly and in a pure Gracie tradition the boy has the nerves to pretend he won that fight.Ben is right, especially with Gracies, that's why they're garbage in modern MMA
Kron looked like a complete can in that fight
Maia has D-1 BJJBlack belts in wrestling ??
Very good point.He's not wrong, but he's also guilty of the same thing. He can't throw a punch because he isn't humble. How many years in MMA and he literally can't throw a proper strike of any kind? Isn't that the same problem BJJ guys make by not learning wrestling and striking? Maia is the one guy who's learned to adapt his game to MMA. He's still a specialist, but he's a rounded specialist now
“Jiu Jitsu guys have no takedowns,” he said. “And we saw it with Kron Gracie. Kron Gracie is legit a very high-level grappler. This man won the ADCC’s. I can’t remember what year right now, but he won the ADCC’s, and yet he looked clueless. He looked absolutely freaking clueless on how to get a takedown last Saturday night! It was ridiculous! It’s not like Cub Swanson was a high-level division-one wrestler!
“And so one of the things that I actually appreciate and like about Demian, is that he’s a Jiu Jitsu guy who kind of put his ego away and said, 'Okay, well, I am a Jiu Jitsu guy, but I’m gonna learn how to wrestle so I can take people down and then do my Jiu Jitsu from there.' And I like that. And I don’t think enough Jiu Jitsu people do that. And I think if more people followed Demian’s lead they would be better off.”
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/10/18/20920240/ufc-singapore-ben-askren-on-demian-maia-fight-jiu-jitsu-guys-have-no-takedowns-mma-news
Cub Swanson is a blackbelt who has been grappling for 15 years. Not like he doesn't have the ability to stop a takedown.
Agree that Maia has good wrestling for a BJJ centric fighter. Not sure if it has anything to do with him being humble, maybe more with being realistic..
Ben is right, especially with Gracies, that's why they're garbage in modern MMA
Kron looked like a complete can in that fight
He finished robbieMaybe Ben Askren can humble himself and learn some BJJ so he can actually do something after he gets the takedown
100% right.“Jiu Jitsu guys have no takedowns,” he said. “And we saw it with Kron Gracie. Kron Gracie is legit a very high-level grappler. This man won the ADCC’s. I can’t remember what year right now, but he won the ADCC’s, and yet he looked clueless. He looked absolutely freaking clueless on how to get a takedown last Saturday night! It was ridiculous! It’s not like Cub Swanson was a high-level division-one wrestler!
“And so one of the things that I actually appreciate and like about Demian, is that he’s a Jiu Jitsu guy who kind of put his ego away and said, 'Okay, well, I am a Jiu Jitsu guy, but I’m gonna learn how to wrestle so I can take people down and then do my Jiu Jitsu from there.' And I like that. And I don’t think enough Jiu Jitsu people do that. And I think if more people followed Demian’s lead they would be better off.”
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/10/18/20920240/ufc-singapore-ben-askren-on-demian-maia-fight-jiu-jitsu-guys-have-no-takedowns-mma-news
It is pretty ironic coming from such a one-dimensional fighter like Askren.I think Ben has a valid point, but people have been saying the same kind of thing about him not learning to box. And added that he is content not to learn how to become a skilled striker, relying on his wrestling.
Man cut the crap,just wrestle,work on it and get that grind them bjj phonies dont have and then maybe they will start getting success with takedownsThat's not true at all.
Wrestlers have access to the best BJJ training in the world, the way everyone else does. The reverse is not true for BJJ guys. It is very difficult to get good at wrestling, unless you did it in school. Access to it just doesn't exist at the same level, the way it does for BJJ. It's not as simple as just putting your ego away. The wrestling practices done in an MMA gym or even going to a wrestling club still won't provide anywhere near the level of training that someone like Askren can easily find for BJJ.
Having a "black belt in Judo" and being an elite Judoka isn't the same thing. It's the same difference between a D1 wrestler and "I wrestled in high school".Even with judo you still need wrestling. Okami realized this and trained with Chael after he lost to him. Aoki has a judo black belt, and he can take down lesser fighters in One, but he was absolutely ragdolled by Gilbert Melendez and KO'd stiff by Eddie Alvarez in their rematch (I don't remember if he tried taking Eddie down, but don't think he'd have success if he did). He would've run into the same problems with many other guys if he came to the UFC.