More plates more dates discusses Jones drug use

kflo said:
again, you're just ignoring anything that doesn't support your position. you think it's moronic (and it wasn't usada's explanation) that the evidence doesn't support that jones was cycling tbol leading up to the dc fight. but your only response is that he was busted before......
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i'm not ignoring anything, i'm calling out the obvious nonsense in the argumentation.

jones having traces of turinabol in his blood means he took turinabol. that's the evidence to support he is a cheat.

his defence could be that a supplement was tainted and he didn't knowingly take it, but then he'd have to produce an example of such a supplement. this has happened before, it's not unheard of. except he didn't, he produced absolutely no evidence of any tainted supplements.

but, they had an arbiter shave months off of his punishment anyway, deciding that he didn't knowingly take it, because apparently it would've been stupid of him to do so. have you tried to apply that logic to any other rule breaking? walk into a convenience store and just take money out of the cash register. when the police arrest you, tell the judge you didn't knowingly steal, that would've been stupid with all the cameras and witnesses.

what's hilarious about this is that they both lowered his suspension for snitching, and for not taking turinabol intentionally. but if he didn't take it intentionally, he just ingested it with a donut he bought at mcdonald's the night before, why did he have to snitch? who did he snitch on? he isn't a cheater, he knows no chemists, he's never used any PEDs. right?
 
cheesus said:
Sorry if it's a repost but hadn't seen it before, thought this was pretty compelling.
Cliffs ? Kind of difficult but...

Same levels of test of an dying 90 year old man, his tests were way below that of an average male man.

His first failed drug test, showed hydroxy-clomiphene (clomid) and a Letrozole metabolite. Which makes absolutely 0 sence to have in your system unless you were in a post cycle to control the estrogenic side effects.

Lot of holes in USADA testing as well as USADA extremely lenient on test levels

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how did this more plates more dates guy suddenly get so popular. he's literally everywhere all of the sudden.

i'm not complaining, just wondering, after all, he's the natty god
 
Iron Monger said:
Yeah "totally unrelated". He didn't take a steroid that doesn't necessitate a post cycle aromastase blocker after being caught with a post cycle aromastase blocker.

Explain to us how he's so innocent please
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Never said he was innocent. And YOU stated that the "dick pills" incident is what made him pulse Turinabol metabolites. Not that getting popped made him switch to a different PED.

Plus there is the fact that the shady "dick pill" that he said he was taking was actually contaminated with the exact substance he popped for in that test, when the agency independently procured some of those pills when they went to check out his claim.
 
I always do a post cycle after taking Viagra, it's totally normal.
 
Iron Monger said:
It's pretty obvious what he did :

1- Took PEDS, then took Clomid post cycle to prevent aromastase. Classic

2- Got busted, lied about "sex pills" to gullible fans, and then took Turinabol which doesn't need an aromastase blocker post cycle.

The worst is USADA reducing his sentence because of snitching and Novinstky shilling for him when Nevada banned him.

"Not his fault !"
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After reading up, im back to my original opinion. You still need PCT with turinabol. Turinabol will cause your testes to shut down. Clomid jumpstarts your testes and increases testosterone along with inhibiting aromatization. I’ve used Turinabol and made sure I did PCT.
 
randomg1t said:
i'm not ignoring anything, i'm calling out the obvious nonsense in the argumentation.

jones having traces of turinabol in his blood means he took turinabol. that's the evidence to support he is a cheat.

his defence could be that a supplement was tainted and he didn't knowingly take it, but then he'd have to produce an example of such a supplement. this has happened before, it's not unheard of. except he didn't, he produced absolutely no evidence of any tainted supplements.

but, they had an arbiter shave months off of his punishment anyway, deciding that he didn't knowingly take it, because apparently it would've been stupid of him to do so. have you tried to apply that logic to any other rule breaking? walk into a convenience store and just take money out of the cash register. when the police arrest you, tell the judge you didn't knowingly steal, that would've been stupid with all the cameras and witnesses.

what's hilarious about this is that they both lowered his suspension for snitching, and for not taking turinabol intentionally. but if he didn't take it intentionally, he just ingested it with a donut he bought at mcdonald's the night before, why did he have to snitch? who did he snitch on? he isn't a cheater, he knows no chemists, he's never used any PEDs. right?
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again, you're still not at all addressing what he would have done in 3 weeks leading up to a fight that makes sense from a performance enhancing standpoint and fits with his test results.
 
Iron Monger said:
Incoming 10 pages of Jones fanboys explaining how it's totally normal that "sex pills" make you pulse Turinabol for years and how he's a victim

Remember : it's just a pinch of indestructible pulsing salt in an Olympic sized swimming pool.
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Let us not forget that famous “he’d have to be really stupid to use T-bol” argument.
 
Iron Monger said:
It's pretty obvious what he did :

1- Took PEDS, then took Clomid post cycle to prevent aromastase. Classic

2- Got busted, lied about "sex pills" to gullible fans, and then took Turinabol which doesn't need an aromastase blocker post cycle.

The worst is USADA reducing his sentence because of snitching and Novinstky shilling for him when Nevada banned him.

"Not his fault !"
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That's a fair enough summary and i agree.
 
Jones clearly roided. The defense provided by that doctor was clearly horeshit, given the same doctor did a 180 when a baseball player last year ran into literally the same issue.

Jones roided before that fight. And he likely roided awhile before that too.

Juciest GOAT by a long shot.
 
RampageFaction said:
After reading up, im back to my original opinion. You still need PCT with turinabol. Turinabol will cause your testes to shut down. Clomid jumpstarts your testes and increases testosterone along with inhibiting aromatization. I’ve used Turinabol and made sure I did PCT.
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I read that it is different from people to people with Turinabol and some need a PCT but others don't. I read it on a french PED forum, guys were sharing their experience and a lot of them testified they didn't need PCT with Turinabol and that even during the cycle their balls didn't shrink contrary to some other PEDS. And they loved Turinabol because of that. So i guess it's different from people to people. Jones clearly wanted to take the chance without a PCT given he was caught with it
 
kflo said:
again, you're still not at all addressing what he would have done in 3 weeks leading up to a fight that makes sense from a performance enhancing standpoint and fits with his test results.
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i'm addressing the fact that this isn't a valid defense.

there were traces of anabolic steroids in his system. that means he took anabolic steroids. you don't just pop for those randomly.

"it doesn't make any sense that he would do that!" is a pathetic cop-out, especially considering who we're talking about here.
 
randomg1t said:
i'm addressing the fact that this isn't a valid defense.

there were traces of anabolic steroids in his system. that means he took anabolic steroids. you don't just pop for those randomly.

"it doesn't make any sense that he would do that!" is a pathetic cop-out, especially considering who we're talking about here.
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you know everything about m3 metabolites?

again, 3 weeks. before a fight. i know your contention will still be that he "took steroids" in that timeframe and did so for competitive advantage.

but you have no logical explanation for what he could have done and why based on his test result history and sequence of events. and for some reason, you don't care. that part is meaningless to you. you just want to be angry about it.
 
Judging by what I've been reading most of you have never taken peds yourselves and are just googling and using words in the wrong context its so cringeworthy.
 
Fookin salty haters.

A wise man once said: " everybody is one steroïds"
<{natewhut}>


Let him take his picograms and be the goat.
 
I'm surprised that more than like 1% of people are under the impression that they aren't all on steroids. Like seriously? You think highly competitive people aren't going to do whatever it takes to win? Anybody with the mentality of "cheating is wrong, cheaters never prosper!" Will never be champion.
 
kflo said:
you know everything about m3 metabolites?

again, 3 weeks. before a fight. i know your contention will still be that he "took steroids" in that timeframe and did so for competitive advantage.

but you have no logical explanation for what he could have done and why based on his test result history and sequence of events. and for some reason, you don't care. that part is meaningless to you. you just want to be angry about it.
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you're right. a proven cheater popped for the second time.

there's just no explanation for it. it's a mystery.
 
AC1D1K said:
It doesn't matter because jons natural talent would have made him win anyway. It's a mute point
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When you try to pretend you are smart but are actually dumb. I am not even pointing out the obvious so other dummies will struggle.
 
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