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Do we know whether ninjajesus was BORN with soft hands? Could they be the result of years of lotion and never touching icky barbells?
Reporting you to the mods.
You've resorted to looking in my thread history and finding other threads I've posted in just so you can spam this in those threads too.
You want to argue something, argue it. Provide a point, not just continuous spamming, which is obviously all you do here.
I'm just chiming in here and don't want it to seem like I'm trying to join the mob against you here. Fact is, I DON'T know if they're born like that. All I know is, and this is purely anecdotal, I've had friends who were the laziest guys you'd ever meet, no jobs, sit on the couch all day and still could display amazing levels of strength, power and speed during the odd time they decided to exert themselves. Again, no actual scientific proof whatsoever, but I gotta imagine they were born with SOMETHING that others aren't.
They will to exert themselves as much as possible, while others may not be willing to do so? There's so many possible factors.

I have a friend who can beat me at armwrestling. He never works out, he's pretty lazy and fat. I work out and all that and overall my entire body is a lot stronger than his. Why is his arm stronger than mine in the motion of arm wrestling? I'm stronger than him at everything else.
I have no idea.
Genes that make JUST his armwrestling muscles stronger? I seriously doubt that.
His arm is shorter than mine though.
Better technique? Maybe.
But I also usually don't exert as much force as I can in armwrestling because I've seen too many videos of people breaking their arms.
There's too many factors to say it's just one thing.
If we can all agree that no two people are alike, to an extent, why is it so hard to believe that some people are born with a genetic predisposition towards strength, speed, power etc.?
Not hard to believe. I've asked for proof, but to only get repeatedly called ignorant and a moron for asking. Does that make sense to you?
 
I have a friend who can beat me at armwrestling. He never works out, he's pretty lazy and fat. I work out and all that and overall my entire body is a lot stronger than his. Why is his arm stronger than mine in the motion of arm wrestling? I'm stronger than him at everything else.
I have no idea.

Because he is stronger than you. Guess you need to do some more bosu ball squats.
 
Reporting you to the mods.
You've resorted to looking in my thread history and finding other threads I've posted in just so you can spam this in those threads too.
You want to argue something, argue it. Provide a point, not just continuous spamming, which is obviously all you do here.

They will to exert themselves as much as possible, while others may not be willing to do so? There's so many possible factors.

I have a friend who can beat me at armwrestling. He never works out, he's pretty lazy and fat. I work out and all that and overall my entire body is a lot stronger than his. Why is his arm stronger than mine in the motion of arm wrestling? I'm stronger than him at everything else.
I have no idea.
Genes that make JUST his armwrestling muscles stronger? I seriously doubt that.
His arm is shorter than mine though.
Better technique? Maybe.
But I also usually don't exert as much force as I can in armwrestling because I've seen too many videos of people breaking their arms.
There's too many factors to say it's just one thing.

Not hard to believe. I've asked for proof, but to only get repeatedly called ignorant and a moron for asking. Does that make sense to you?

Didn't you just prove to all of us that you're weak as fuck, being that your out of shape, overweight and most likely weak friend beat you at arm wrestling, while you babble on about how much you know about strength?

Irony if I ever saw it.
 
Some guy on the last page said there was a study on an olympian and they were 50/50. But I take that with a grain of salt.

Now that it seems like you want to debate this maturely, I'll ask a question of you: how do you know they were BORN with the greater ratio of fast twitch muscles? If you test an athlete in the olympics, obviously it's going to be different.

your right, you know i always wondered this. how some people are taller than others, why some people are smarter than others, why some people are better looking than others, why some people are stronger than others.

it's definitely not because of genes, no way! now i know why roy jones jr was able to beat so many guys so easily, it's because when he was three years old at exactly 3:14pm while in his crib facing the east, his mom gave him 1 glass of milk precisely 4oz in amount and heated to a soothing 76.54342 degrees F. cause you know, it's not the genes that gave him more speed, better reflexes than pretty much any other boxer he faced.

i don't think you understand what genes are. it seems like you don't realize that genes and physical characteristics are related because your asking questions like "what gene affect sprinting and how does it affect it?" i'll tell you, genes that code for limb length, tendon strength, bone density, muscle leverage, muscle makeup, location of muscle mass all determine sprinting/strength etc. while there may not be a specific sprinting gene like "ATCCCGATTGCA" found somewhere in the gene pool, but there are a bunch of different traits that do contribute to speed all determined by genetics.

sorry if this makes you sad, but this isn't doctor phil or a tony robbins seminar where you can be like "i can do anything if i put my mind to it!"
 
But what do you consider proof? Anecdotal evidence, as is the case of fatiguing the central nervous system? Or a full scientific study?

I do not ask this just to be argumentative, but rather to better understand your idea of definitive proof.
 
I have a friend who can beat me at armwrestling. He never works out, he's pretty lazy and fat. I work out and all that and overall my entire body is a lot stronger than his. Why is his arm stronger than mine in the motion of arm wrestling? I'm stronger than him at everything else.
I have no idea.
Genes that make JUST his armwrestling muscles stronger? I seriously doubt that.
His arm is shorter than mine though.
Better technique? Maybe.
There's too many factors to say it's just one thing.

Agreed there are a lot of factors, but how can you aknowledge his arm being shorter and better technique as possible factors but NOT him having a genetic predisposition towards strength in arm wrestling? It just comes across like you're picking and choosing. A and B could be possible factors but there's no way that C could be.
 
Some guy on the last page said there was a study on an olympian and they were 50/50. But I take that with a grain of salt.

Now that it seems like you want to debate this maturely, I'll ask a question of you: how do you know they were BORN with the greater ratio of fast twitch muscles? If you test an athlete in the olympics, obviously it's going to be different.

it happened. my point was that for all we know, gold medallist sprinters have lots of slow twitch fibers. we dont KNOW that fiber type is the predominant factor in sprinting speed. there are so many factors besides fiber type that can influence speed. and as i said in an earlier post, muscle biopsies dont necessarily mean anything, because fiber distribution varies between muscle groups and can vary within the muscle group itself.

EDIT:
i found this link.
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2005/09/20050912_popula.html
 
Didn't you just prove to all of us that you're weak as fuck, being that your out of shape, overweight and most likely weak friend beat you at arm wrestling, while you babble on about how much you know about strength?

Irony if I ever saw it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Moron. Shut the hell up.
your right, you know i always wondered this. how some people are taller than others, why some people are smarter than others, why some people are better looking than others, why some people are stronger than others.

it's definitely not because of genes, no way! now i know why roy jones jr was able to beat so many guys so easily, it's because when he was three years old at exactly 3:14pm while in his crib facing the east, his mom gave him 1 glass of milk precisely 4oz in amount and heated to a soothing 76.54342 degrees F. cause you know, it's not the genes that gave him more speed, better reflexes than pretty much any other boxer he faced.

i don't think you understand what genes are. it seems like you don't realize that genes and physical characteristics are related because your asking questions like "what gene affect sprinting and how does it affect it?" i'll tell you, genes that code for limb length, tendon strength, bone density, muscle leverage, muscle makeup, location of muscle mass all determine sprinting/strength etc. while there may not be a specific sprinting gene like "ATCCCGATTGCA" found somewhere in the gene pool, but there are a bunch of different traits that do contribute to speed all determined by genetics.

sorry if this makes you sad, but this isn't doctor phil or a tony robbins seminar where you can be like "i can do anything if i put my mind to it!"
Oh so Ronnie Coleman was born predisposed to grow strong like that? Just like people are predisposed to grow tall, or good looking?
Just die. You're not funny.
Agreed there are a lot of factors, but how can you aknowledge his arm being shorter and better technique as possible factors but NOT him having a genetic predisposition towards strength in arm wrestling? It just comes across like you're picking and choosing. A and B could be possible factors but there's no way that C could be.
I didn't say that it can't be a possibility. But before you look at factors you can't prove, why not look at the ones you can?

For example, why would you first say that genetics did it, instead of first looking at his technique and arm size?
 
it happened. my point was that for all we know, gold medallist sprinters have lots of slow twitch fibers. we dont KNOW that fiber type is the predominant factor in sprinting speed. there are so many factors besides fiber type that can influence speed. and as i said in an earlier post, muscle biopsies dont necessarily mean anything, because fiber distribution varies between muscle groups and can vary within the muscle group itself.

Also, don't forget that sprinting, even the 100 meters isn't exclusively a fast twitch fiber/anaerobic event. I forget the exact number but a percentage of it is still aerobic.
 
I didn't say that it can't be a possibility. But before you look at factors you can't prove, why not look at the ones you can?

For example, why would you first say that genetics did it, instead of first looking at his technique and arm size?

The first thing I mentioned was genetic predispositon because that's what you were asking about. Who said I was ignoring the other factors. I'm not suggesting that it HAS to be factor A or factor B, it could be any number of things, but they're all possibilities.

And his arm being shorter is a genetic trait.
 
For example, why would you first say that genetics did it, instead of first looking at his technique and arm size?

isn't length of arm determined by genes? it's not like i can will my arm to grow longer.
 
Oh so Ronnie Coleman was born predisposed to grow strong like that? Just like people are predisposed to grow tall, or good looking?

Height is a genetic trait is it not? And as far as Ronnie Coleman goes, muscle belly size and insertion is also a genetic trait.
 
Also, don't forget that sprinting, even the 100 meters isn't exclusively a fast twitch fiber/anaerobic event. I forget the exact number but a percentage of it is still aerobic.

it used to be said that there was a 5% contributing factor, but those numbers are largely unaccepted now.
 
Height is a genetic trait is it not? And as far as Ronnie Coleman goes, muscle belly size and insertion is also a genetic trait.

Playing basketball and volleyball makes you taller. Doing gymnastics makes you shorter.
 
Yeah I was sort of confusing muscle fiber types with energyy systems anyways.

no aerobic conditioning is definitely a factor for training, especially for work capacity. but for the race itself, there isnt really an aerobic factor.
 
Somewhere in Germany is a baby Superman, born in Berlin with bulging arm and leg muscles. Not yet 5, he can hold seven-pound weights with arms extended, something many adults cannot do. He has muscles twice the size of other kids his age and half their body fat. DNA testing showed why: The boy has a genetic mutation that boosts muscle growth.

The discovery, reported in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine, represents the first documented human case of such a mutation.

Many scientists believe the find could eventually lead to drugs for treating people with muscular dystrophy and other muscle-destroying conditions. And athletes would almost surely want to get their hands on such a drug and use it like steroids to bulk up.

The boy's mutant DNA segment was found to block production of a protein called myostatin that limits muscle growth. The news comes seven years after researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore created buff ``mighty mice'' by ``turning off'' the gene that directs cells to produce myostatin.


``Now we can say that myostatin acts the same way in humans as in animals,'' said the boy's physician, Dr. Markus Schuelke, a professor in the child neurology department at Charite/University Medical Center Berlin. ``We can apply that knowledge to humans, including trial therapies for muscular dystrophy.''


Given the huge potential market for such drugs, researchers at universities and pharmaceutical companies already are trying to find a way to limit the amount and activity of myostatin in the body. Wyeth has just begun human tests of a genetically engineered antibody designed to neutralize myostatin.


Dr. Lou Kunkel, director of the genomics program at Boston Children's Hospital and professor of pediatrics and genetics at Harvard Medical School, said success is possible within several years.


``Just decreasing this protein by 20, 30, 50 percent can have a profound effect on muscle bulk,'' said Kunkel, who is among the doctors participating in the Wyeth research.


Muscular dystrophy is the world's most common genetic disease. There is no cure and the most common form, Duchenne's, usually kills before adulthood. The few treatments being tried to slow its progression have serious side effects.


Muscle wasting also is common in the elderly and patients with diseases such as cancer and AIDS.


``If you could find a way to block myostatin activity, you might slow the wasting process,'' said Dr. Se-Jin Lee, the Johns Hopkins professor whose team created the ``mighty mice.''


Lee said he believes a myostatin blocker also could suppress fat accumulation and thus thwart the development of diabetes. Lee and Johns Hopkins would receive royalties for any myostatin-blocking drug made by Wyeth.


Dr. Eric Hoffman, director of Children's National Medical Center's Research Center for Genetic Medicine, said he believes a muscular dystrophy cure will be found, but he is unsure whether it will be a myostatin-blocking drug, another treatment or a combination, because about a dozen genes have some effect on muscles.


He said a mystotatin-blocking drug could help other groups of people, including astronauts and others who lose muscle mass during long stints in zero gravity or when immobilized by illness or a broken limb.


Researchers would not disclose the German boy's identity but said he was born to a somewhat muscular mother, a 24-year-old former professional sprinter. Her brother and three other close male relatives all were unusually strong, with one of them a construction worker able to unload heavy curbstones by hand.


In the mother, one copy of the gene is mutated and the other is normal; the boy has two mutated copies. One almost definitely came from his father, but no information about him has been disclosed. The mutation is very rare in people.


The boy is healthy now, but doctors worry he could eventually suffer heart or other health problems.


In the past few years, scientists have seen great potential in myostatin-blocking strategies.


Internet marketers have been hawking ``myostatin-blocking'' supplements to bodybuilders, though doctors say the products are useless and perhaps dangerous.


Some researchers are trying to turn off the myostatin gene in chickens to produce more meat per bird. And several breeds of cattle have natural variations in the gene that, aided by selective breeding, give them far more muscle and

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Somewhere in Germany is a baby Superman, born in Berlin with bulging arm and leg muscles. Not yet 5, he can hold seven-pound weights with arms extended, something many adults cannot do. He has muscles twice the size of other kids his age and half their body fat. DNA testing showed why: The boy has a genetic mutation that boosts muscle growth.

The discovery, reported in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine, represents the first documented human case of such a mutation.

Many scientists believe the find could eventually lead to drugs for treating people with muscular dystrophy and other muscle-destroying conditions. And athletes would almost surely want to get their hands on such a drug and use it like steroids to bulk up.

The boy's mutant DNA segment was found to block production of a protein called myostatin that limits muscle growth. The news comes seven years after researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore created buff ``mighty mice'' by ``turning off'' the gene that directs cells to produce myostatin.


``Now we can say that myostatin acts the same way in humans as in animals,'' said the boy's physician, Dr. Markus Schuelke, a professor in the child neurology department at Charite/University Medical Center Berlin. ``We can apply that knowledge to humans, including trial therapies for muscular dystrophy.''


Given the huge potential market for such drugs, researchers at universities and pharmaceutical companies already are trying to find a way to limit the amount and activity of myostatin in the body. Wyeth has just begun human tests of a genetically engineered antibody designed to neutralize myostatin.


Dr. Lou Kunkel, director of the genomics program at Boston Children's Hospital and professor of pediatrics and genetics at Harvard Medical School, said success is possible within several years.


``Just decreasing this protein by 20, 30, 50 percent can have a profound effect on muscle bulk,'' said Kunkel, who is among the doctors participating in the Wyeth research.


Muscular dystrophy is the world's most common genetic disease. There is no cure and the most common form, Duchenne's, usually kills before adulthood. The few treatments being tried to slow its progression have serious side effects.


Muscle wasting also is common in the elderly and patients with diseases such as cancer and AIDS.


``If you could find a way to block myostatin activity, you might slow the wasting process,'' said Dr. Se-Jin Lee, the Johns Hopkins professor whose team created the ``mighty mice.''


Lee said he believes a myostatin blocker also could suppress fat accumulation and thus thwart the development of diabetes. Lee and Johns Hopkins would receive royalties for any myostatin-blocking drug made by Wyeth.


Dr. Eric Hoffman, director of Children's National Medical Center's Research Center for Genetic Medicine, said he believes a muscular dystrophy cure will be found, but he is unsure whether it will be a myostatin-blocking drug, another treatment or a combination, because about a dozen genes have some effect on muscles.


He said a mystotatin-blocking drug could help other groups of people, including astronauts and others who lose muscle mass during long stints in zero gravity or when immobilized by illness or a broken limb.


Researchers would not disclose the German boy's identity but said he was born to a somewhat muscular mother, a 24-year-old former professional sprinter. Her brother and three other close male relatives all were unusually strong, with one of them a construction worker able to unload heavy curbstones by hand.


In the mother, one copy of the gene is mutated and the other is normal; the boy has two mutated copies. One almost definitely came from his father, but no information about him has been disclosed. The mutation is very rare in people.


The boy is healthy now, but doctors worry he could eventually suffer heart or other health problems.


In the past few years, scientists have seen great potential in myostatin-blocking strategies.


Internet marketers have been hawking ``myostatin-blocking'' supplements to bodybuilders, though doctors say the products are useless and perhaps dangerous.


Some researchers are trying to turn off the myostatin gene in chickens to produce more meat per bird. And several breeds of cattle have natural variations in the gene that, aided by selective breeding, give them far more muscle and

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obviously not genetics, he probably worked really hard in his mom's womb doing pushups and punching her stomach. only other reason other babies aren't like that is because they were lazy
 
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