moral obligations as a pro sports franchise

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  1. llperez22

    llperez22 Red Belt

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    im sitting here thinking about guys like ray rice and greg hardy, im curious if you were a team owner would you be willing to overlook what they did and sign them? The mayor of dallas expressed his displeasure with the cowboys signing hardy stating he was a huge supporter of the cowboys but was a father and husband first and foremost. How about michael vick holding dogs under water and drowning them when they didnt perform? What if you truly believed kobe held a girl against her will and raped her? Rice spit in his girls face and then dropped her with a hay maker and dragged her unconscious body out of an elevator. Hardy was found guilty for choking and assaulting his girl by the court of law but asked for a retrial and paid the victim off. We all want winners, but at what price.
     
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    Not until they were washed up and looking for a 1 year deal while still producing. They would be role players and I wouldn't have the guilt of spending a lot of money while receiving negative publicity.
     
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    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    I agree that anyone convicted of crime or even suspected of one should never be allowed to work again.

    Instead of them being productive citizens that pay taxes I would prefer they are relegated to government assisted housing and live off welfare.

    The same goes for there significant others and children.

    That will teach them.
     
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    llperez22 Red Belt

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    way to be over dramatic. there's a difference between allowing them to work and make a living vs being profesional athletes making millions. For the record i dont think i have the answer, it would be case by case. but i dont think beating a women is a "mistake". its a character flaw. Maybe having the privileges of being a multi million dollar earning athlete taken from you and being relegated to a more normal 9-5 will help you realize the consequences of poor decisions.
     
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    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    Gotcha.

    Yup they can only work the drive thru at McDonalds for minimum wage along with stripping them and their family of their fancy health insurance.
     
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    if thats all you think they are capable of achieving minus professional athletics then thats your opinion of them.
     
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    So how much money should they be allowed to make?
     
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    thats irrelevent. Im talkingn about a job representing a city often with tax payer involved stadiums and having a job in the public lime light. If you were an owner, would you be okay with paying violent criminals becasue it helped your team win? Its obvious you already answered that question.
     
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    Ok so they can't work for the government because those jobs are funded by taxes.

    If I own a McDonald's can I pay a violent criminal to work there? If so how much?

    If no owner of any company is willing to pay a violent criminal can they get government assistance? Probably not because it's funded by taxes...

    Can we at least give his kids government assistance?
     
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    its not that complicated a question. If you were an owner, would you be fine employing viloent crimnals? you have answered. Obviously not everyone feels the same otherwise rice would have a job right now.
     
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    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    You didn't answer any of my questions.
     
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    PolishHeadlock Putin Belt Platinum Member

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    And it is pretty complicated.

    People have to sustain themselves through either employment or government assistance.

    You're insinuating that employers who employ ex cons are lacking in moral fiber while also saying that these men should not get any assistance provided by taxes.
     
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    never said any employee nor did i say any type of government assistance. I said professional sports teams. Do you think playing in the nfl is the same as all employment opportunities or that getting a check in the nfl is the same as government assistance?
     
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    What's difference between playing in the NFL and other types of employment?

    They are performing a job and they get compensated for it.

    Do you think as society we would benefit from denying them employment?
     
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    difference is that the nfl is highly compensated job that represents a city and should require high level character standards for employment. Stocking boxes=/= as playing in nfl and being on tv.

    As a society i think the message of not breaking laws in order to play sports would have a positive impact. There are countless people unemployed due to their actions. Thats kind of up to the employer.
     
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    So what is the compensation ceiling for ex cons?
     
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    i have already answered that, there is no compensation ceiling. Its the overall context of the job and representing a city and being a public figure on television. You keep acting like being a pro athlete is no differnt then any other job in america. If thats how you feel, then we disagree.
     
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    bet the pr departments for NFL, NBA teams and the KC royals make bank.
     
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    how many kids in america are wearing their favorite starbucks employees jersey or buying trading cards of the local target staff.
     
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