MMA would be taking a step back if Ngannou becomes champ

[Readybodisready]

Well some of us are willing to see if this is the case, that's why I said there's no "supposed to" regarding sports. Is it possible ngannou is capable of more than he is shown? Isn't it Stipes job to do that?
The things those fighters you mentioned showed were because other fighters took them there and made them show it, you didn't know Maia could do that until he did and I guarantee before hand you assumed he couldn't.
Why make assumptions here? And why is THIS fight being framed as some kind of existential crises?

He has already been taken there by Blaydes and looked like a fish out of water. Taken down repeatedly, showed no groundgame off his back and was gassed out in round 2 already and got lucky the fight was stopped. Pretty much confirming that he's just a big puncher with a 2 round gas tank.

Remember when Bob Sapp beat Hoost and how it damaged kickboxing? Same deal here if Stipe loses.

 

[flairleguccijoints]

He has already been taken there by Blaydes and looked like a fish out of water. Taken down repeatedly, showed no groundgame off his back and was gassed out in round 2 already and got lucky the fight was stopped. Pretty much confirming that he's just a big puncher with a 2 round gas tank.

Remember when Bob Sapp beat Hoost and how it damaged kickboxing? Same deal here if Stipe loses.

Except Ngannou won that fight. Stipes already been KOd by a fighter with less power, I can play dumb too.
I get it, Ngannou is a threat to your worldview. Why are you putting this much effort into this?
Kickboxing wasn't "damaged", stop being so damn fragile.You follow an organization that allowed CM Punk to not only compete but headline, and you still think of this as the land of well rounded fighters?

 

[Paynebringer]

Mma will be just fine if Nagnnou sends Stipe into the big quick sleep, if he's not good enough to hold a belt he won't and order will be back...

 

[IsNormal]

It's not that hard to get a title shot and win it even if you're a one-trick-pony.

Thre might have holes in someone's game, but it can take a few fights at the highest level before they are discovered, and before that it's not strange that you could run through some people.

Titles can exchange hands quickly without much significance for the state of MMA as a whole.
What matters more is how long you can stay at the top.

 

[Readybodisready]

Except Ngannou won that fight. Stipes already been KOd by a fighter with less power, I can play dumb too.
I get it, Ngannou is a threat to your worldview. Why are you putting this much effort into this?

Ngannou fanboys are too easy put in their place. Use facts to show his flaws and the only thing they can do is call you a racist in response. They must all be neo liberals.

Kickboxing wasn't "damaged", stop being so damn fragile.You follow an organization that allowed CM Punk to not only compete but headline, and you still think of this as the land of well rounded fighters?

You just proved my point. In my opening statement I said the last time the sport was in danger of losing this much credibility was when they had a pro wrestler dominate @ HW. Keep up.

So yes, it will be a great shame if a homeless guy can pick up a pair of gloves in some run down MMA gym in France and become the UFC champ 5 years later using power punches. If you can't see why that hurts MMA then you're an Ngannou fan, not an MMA fan.

 

[flairleguccijoints]

Question regarding the OPs premise, so everyone Ngannou and Stipe have defeated have been less well rounded than them?
If not, doesn't that refute your point?

 

[flairleguccijoints]

Ngannou fanboys are too easy put in their place. Use facts to show his flaws and the only thing they can do is call you a racist in response. They must all be neo liberals.



You just proved my point. In my opening statement I said the last time the sport was in danger of losing this much credibility was when they had a pro wrestler dominate @ HW. Keep up.

So yes, it will be a great shame if a homeless guy can pick up a pair of gloves in some run down MMA gym in France and become the UFC champ 5 years later using power punches. If you can't see why that hurts MMA then you're an Ngannou fan, not an MMA fan.

I didnt prove your point, you don't even make sense.
Why wasn't MMAs credibility in danger when 0-0 CM Punk headlined a PPV UFC fight card?Again this thread is about YOUR emotional relationship to MMA, youre not getting MY point, you're to busy trying to prove something to yourself.

 

[Readybodisready]

I didnt prove your point, you don't even make sense.
Why wasn't MMAs credibility in danger when 0-0 CM Punk headlined a PPV UFC fight card?

Because CM was made to look like the Punk that he is. That's why MMA's credibility wasn't hurt. Keep up.

Just like MMA's credibility won't be hurt if Stipe shows him what modern MMA is. That this isn't the stone age of the sport where homeless guys can pick up a belt after 5 years of training and discover that they can punch hard.

 

[Harmonica]

Ngannou fanboys are too easy put in their place. Use facts to show his flaws and the only thing they can do is call you a racist in response. They must all be neo liberals.

Why does Ngannou look so breakable to me?

 

[flairleguccijoints]

Because CM was made to look like the Punk that he is. That's why MMA's credibility wasn't hurt. Keep up.

Just like MMA's credibility won't be hurt if Stipe shows him what modern MMA is. That this isn't the stone age of the sport where homeless guys can pick up a belt after 5 years of training and discover that they can punch hard.

Keep up? I don't know why you keep talking like your making a fucking point. Let go of your ego, that's what's got you making emotional threads like this.
Ngannou has already defeated more well rounded fighters than himself, therefore your point has already been disproven. For some reason, and based on your post i can only privately speculate, youre making this fight out to be some threat to MMAs very order.
Who gives a fuck if Ngannou was homeless? And based on the logic of your post, I wouldn't call you a racist, I'd probably question your maturity and emotional control.I haven't said if I favored either fighter, keep projecting. You can have the last word like my woman, go ahead.

 

[Locooo]

Go Stipe !
Hard Fight ahead though
Hope he kos that clownshoe back to africa.

 

[Bacco]

 

[Which Doctor]

Keep up? I don't know why you keep talking like your making a fucking point. Let go of your ego, that's what's got you making emotional threads like this.
Ngannou has already defeated more well rounded fighters than himself, therefore your point has already been disproven. For some reason, and based on your post i can only privately speculate, youre making this fight out to be some threat to MMAs very order.
Who gives a fuck if Ngannou was homeless?

He believes in a sort of MMA/UFC kayfabe/bizarro world. You nailed it w/ the "your (his) emotional connection to MMA" comment. His worldview is in danger of being shattered and he wants confirmation that his personal ruleset is valid.

Black vs White
France/Africa vs U.S.A.
Firefighter vs "Homeless Dude"
Solid fundamentals vs explosive athleticism (Oh wait, did I say that already?)
"Well rounded fighter" vs "1-dimensional Punchy Brawler guy"
Etc.,
Etc.

He sounds like a TUF noob right now; that group came in w/ a lot of imaginary values regarding MMA.

 

[Readybodisready]

Keep up? I don't know why you keep talking like your making a fucking point. Let go of your ego, that's what's got you making emotional threads like this.
Ngannou has already defeated more well rounded fighters than himself, therefore your point has already been disproven. For some reason, and based on your post i can only privately speculate, youre making this fight out to be some threat to MMAs very order.
Who gives a fuck if Ngannou was homeless? And based on the logic of your post, I wouldn't call you a racist, I'd probably question your maturity and emotional control.I haven't said if I favored either fighter, keep projecting. You can have the last word like my woman, go ahead.

The only one being emotional is you. I would tell you to re-read your posts in this page but I doubt you have the self-awareness to realise your embarrassing display. I mean you're a grown man(with a "woman" btw, yeah sure) who has to resort to calling someone a racist if they outdebate you. That shows your projection about worldviews being shattered, resorting to nonsensical buzzwords because you're completely outdebated is the textbook definition of what you accused me of.

Lets stick to the main points: Ngannou is a one dimensional physical specimen who picked up this sport a couple of years ago and has no business being at this spot in this era. He's a slightly more fine tuned Bob Sapp and should be beaten by Stipe 9/10 times.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

Ahh Stipe will be fine.....as long as he doesn’t get hit with too many bombs lol. I totally expect Stipe to get put on his ass in the first round and come back to win in devastating fashion. It should be a good fight.

Yea, if he wins, he'll prob get near KO'd before doing so. Or, he will go out, but either way, I expect him to get hit flush a few times. But, if he overcomes and wins via stoppage like the Overeem fight, it wont be too surprising.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

It's not like the UFC is even that credible anyway. UFC is all about entertainment, drama and trash talk more than it is about having world class talent.

They let Rory, Mousasi, Phil Davis and Bader walk to Bellator. Jake Shields was never brought back. Askren never brought in. Horiguchi rushed into a title fight with DJ and then offered more in Rizin where there is a tournament.

Yet UFC will sign a ton of females with records like 2-1 and 2-2 and shit.

The UFC hasn't invested a penny into the HW division for a long time until Ngannou because he has that look that casuals eat up. There are many HWs around the world who are better fighters than Ngannou but the UFC found themselves a title fight to promote after he beat Reem and Arlovski.

Stipe is a good boxer/wrestler but he is very hittable and got dropped by Reem in his last fight. It wouldn't really set the sport back if Francis wins since UFC has already been setting the sport back and they really don't house all the best fighters in the world anyway.

 

[truthisfreedom]

For me, Ngannou has talent and skills but just not on the level that I think a lot of people see. Most of this is from the UFC "hype machine" and it is to SELL PPV's, make no mistake. What I can't understand is how Ngannou is suddenly a world beater to everyone when the toughest guys he's faced are Arlovski (a way past his prime fighter) and an Overeem who looks like he was paid to fall. I'm a big Fedor fan, as you can probably tell by now, and this reminds me of his bouts with Zulu and Choi. They both looked like menacing foes until he beat them and suddenly they were "cans". I think Miocic is in a "no win" situation with our "expert critics" on Sherdog. If he gets beat, it is because Ngannou is the next GOAT and Miocic got exposed but if he wins,"Ngannou was never my friend". I think this argument of whether or not he wins or loses is based on just that, a win or loss from two fighters but to bring in the "racist" argument bugs the living crap out of me. Maybe, my post was a little more vulgar, or over the top than normal, but that just shows how much the "race baiting" gets under my skin.

Also, TS is a huge jones, Yoel Romero and Anderson Silva fan, so I think that throws the racist argument out of the window.

Edit: to your point, Truth, I do believe some posters have racist tendencies in choosing which fighters they like and which fighters they bash but that covers all three races, not just one in particular. Not to get to political but I noticed your use of the word "Neocon" in one of your posts and thought I'd throw this out there for you, since you seem to delve into the intellectual side of things as well. "Black neoconservatives contend that this dependency (social programs like affirmative action) is the true cause for the debilitating conditions of the Black underclass and the slow progress among African Americans. Essentially, Black neoconservatives blame the Black Power era for instilling a sense of entitlement among African Americans, and they charge civil rights leaders with profiting from the manipulation of racism." https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/4016. A pretty interesting read if you are into that kind of stuff.

Thank you very much for the well thought out response, and I pretty much agree with you on most of your points. There is a level of dependency that is unhealthy for sure, 100% agreed. But to say that is the only reason for the debilitating conditions that ANY maligned group of people face ( and I'm not saying you think this, I'm just saying people in general), is not only wrong, but socially irresponsible and shows a lack of intellect. There are so many other issues at play, but I suppose that's a different discussion for a different time.


And yes, I do agree that TOO MANY people choose favorite fighters based on race, and these forums are littered with examples of that. You can see the double standards EVERYWHERE on here. Truthfully I just we could all watch fights without looking at fighter's ethnicity, sexual tendencies or religious beliefs. Like it pissed me off so much when I signed on here the other day, and saw people bashing Khabib because he is muslim. Like really?? Who really gives a f*ck? I'm here for ONE reason.....I admire and respect warriors, and I don't care where they come from. I look to these guys for motivation and inspiration to overcome obstacles in my own life..whether they be black, white, purple, green, or plaid....a warrior is a warrior.

 

[TrueFightFan]

Thank you very much for the well thought out response, and I pretty much agree with you on most of your points. There is a level of dependency that is unhealthy for sure, 100% agreed. But to say that is the only reason for the debilitating conditions that ANY maligned group of people face ( and I'm not saying you think this, I'm just saying people in general), is not only wrong, but socially irresponsible and shows a lack of intellect. There are so many other issues at play, but I suppose that's a different discussion for a different time.


And yes, I do agree that TOO MANY people choose favorite fighters based on race, and these forums are littered with examples of that. You can see the double standards EVERYWHERE on here. Truthfully I just we could all watch fights without looking at fighter's ethnicity, sexual tendencies or religious beliefs. Like it pissed me off so much when I signed on here the other day, and saw people bashing Khabib because he is muslim. Like really?? Who really gives a f*ck? I'm here for ONE reason.....I admire and respect warriors, and I don't care where they come from. I look to these guys for motivation and inspiration to overcome obstacles in my own life..whether they be black, white, purple, green, or plaid....a warrior is a warrior.

Fights are fights and these guys are warriors just for stepping in the ring for our entertainment.

As for the racial wars, it is tough enough to defend against one group from a certain race attacking yours without having groups from your race "aiding and abetting" the enemy. If we could see that we all have a role to play in this world, we would be fine but the "control" part is the obstacle that we must overcome.

 

[truthisfreedom]

Fights are fights and these guys are warriors just for stepping in the ring for our entertainment.

As for the racial wars, it is tough enough to defend against one group from a certain race attacking yours without having groups from your race "aiding and abetting" the enemy. If we could see that we all have a role to play in this world, we would be fine but the "control" part is the obstacle that we must overcome.

Agreed. And followed!

 

[Sansnom]

This is not a bashing thread. The point is that at this level, guys who are only good at one thing and rely purely on physical attributes are supposed to be a thing of the past. The last fighter who succeeded that way in the UFC was Brock Lesnar and that was a long time ago. It would look bad on the sport if Stipe loses.

Ngannou: the only real threat he presents are his hands. Supposedly he had some kind of boxing background but he shows very little of it and no jab, the most important punch of all. He's too raw, just look at his footwork. Doesn't really have any other weapons on the feet, doesn't have a ground game(aside from a keylock against a lower level guy) and his TDD is still a question mark. And with all that muscle there's no way he's not gassed out by round 3.

Even if he lands another windmill and wins the title(highly unlikely. Stipe's no shot ArReemski) he's not destined for longevity. He will be figured out quick because he doesn't have enough other skills to fall back on in this constantly evolving game.

Stipe will win by simply being what a modern MMA fighter is all about. Hate to be a buzzkill sherbros.

This is just pure speculation because NGannou hasn't really been in trouble yet. You're assuming that he doesn't have other skills to fall back on but what if he does?