Mma stand up

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  1. Bearknuckle

    Bearknuckle Brown Belt

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    Ok i got into a discussion today with my coworkers.

    They are saying that any mma fighter who stands with a top level boxer would get KO'd. I disagreed because boxers can only punch and 100% of their defense is geared towards punches. An mma fighter can kick knee and elbow. Also the stances in mma are suited more towards punching and kicking.

    He says the only reason a boxer would PROBABLY lose is because he's scared of a takedown. But in mma, there are guys that never go for the takedown ala machida and anderson. So lets say it was a pure stand up match. Do you guys agree that a really good mma fighter can knockout or outstrike a pure boxer, or are the boxers hands just too good.

    Ps boxer doesnt or cant train TDD and or else he'd be considered an mma fighter. Same goes for the mma fighter, he cant train boxing, just kickboxing, muay thai, karate, tae kwon do or whatever stand up style he likes.
     
  2. heavyarms21

    heavyarms21 Ryozanpaku Belt

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    So a Boxer vs any MMA striker minus takedowns ? Depends on the Boxer
     
  3. prikoke

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    No MMA striker would outstrike a top level boxer. The talent pool is too deep. MMA doesn't have the best kickboxers either.
     
  4. anthony stark

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    agreed
     
  5. jimmyw404

    jimmyw404 Brown Belt

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    A good kickboxer who happens to also compete in MMA would have an immense advantage over a boxer. I mean this isn't even an MMA vs Boxing debate, it's a kickboxing vs boxing or thai vs boxing debate. The kickboxer has a huge advantage not just because of variety, but because they can execute at a range boxers can't. And boxers can't really dictate where the fight takes place like a wrestler can, because as soon as they clinch they have to be broken up.

    Now if you said it was a boxing match between an MMA fighter and a boxer of similar skill levels in their respective sports, the MMA fighter would have no chance, except for a few very specific boxing specialists it wouldn't be a fight.

     
  6. Loriquero

    Loriquero Green Belt

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    Mayweather vs Pettis, K1 rules. Make it happen Glory.
     
  7. RoyJonesJr

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    Who knows


    All I know is even the goats of today have garbage boxing
     
  8. AppliedScience

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    No one in MMA is standing up against:

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  9. heavyarms21

    heavyarms21 Ryozanpaku Belt

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    Yeah if it was an MMA kick boxer vs an elite boxer you would think he would use low and body kicks to keep distance otherwise if he gets in that Boxer range and fights in his wheelhouse he is in for a world of hate
     
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    Well, If the mma fighter can keep his hands up and land 1 or 2 leg kicks, the boxer would be in troubles. Guys like Cerrone or RDA kick very hard. Then you have head kicks, if you don't know how to block them, your arm and hands could end broken after just 1.
     
  11. estranged

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    maybe. any mma fighter that actually stepped into the ring?
     
  12. ncboy

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    There are few mma fighters who could be successful boxers. But put a boxer in the cage and only disallow takedowns? I'm leaning towards the mma fighter, but yes obviously it depends on the individuals.
     
  13. Bearknuckle

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    I dont think boxers would even know how to handle a few strong leg kicks. And they would be completely clueless to the spinning shit. I just saw the thread of vitor wheel kicking rockhold and just thought no boxer has even trained to defend against that or the set up.
     
  14. jimbob27

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    Depends on a few things. Sometimes the MMA guys will win, sometimes the boxers. Whoever is using the gloves they're used to will be at an advantage. Many boxers won't be able to block effectively with MMA gloves, but MMA fighters will also have much slower hands if they're using heavier gloves than they're used to.

    Depends on the fighters as well. I think MMA fighters might have more success in heavier weight classes because a lot of HW boxers have poor footwork which would make them vulnerable to low kicks.
     
  15. ncboy

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    I was going to counter this with a really good mma heavyweight with excellent standup before I realized I couldn't name one.

    I'd take Cain in a mma fight, but take away his wrestling and grinding and he'd get killed.
     
  16. jeremyhi09

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    in mma gloves? i favor the mma fighter. in boxing gloves? very dependent on the styles of the fighters.

    boxing gloves are a defensive tool. when you take them out, a large part of boxing (the ability to safely block punches) is removed. you see it every other card, somebody has a hand up to block a wild hook and a knuckle catches them behind the ear or whatever. it doesnt necessarily have as much to do with the fighters skill as a boxer as much as it does with the nature of the sport and its equipment.
     
  17. Bearknuckle

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    We arent making the mma fighter go into the boxing ring. I am asking if a top boxer went into UFC and had a gentlemans agreement not to take it to the ground. Can any mma fighter strike with them? In the world of stand up fighting hands are only 2 of 8 strikes that can be used. Also spinning shit. I dunno how a boxer who has trained 100% of his life to defend and look for punches can see a wheel kick or any of the faints and fakes from kicks. Think of how confused they would be with machida and anderson doing those leg feints and fakes. Machida fucks guys up all the time with his kicks. And these guys KNOW he's gonna kick them.
     
  18. EJRMAN513

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    MMA strikers wouldn't do so good in a stand up fight against boxers imo nut if you put a pure kickboxer(Glory, K1, Overeem, Spong) in with a boxer in a stand up fight, I'd pick the kickboxer.
     
  19. Loriquero

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  20. jeremyhi09

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    id bet good vcash on the mma fighter, assuming a matchup that isnt one sided.

    a swarming/offensive boxer is going to fare much better than an outside boxer or counterstriker, but i think regardless the smart money is on the mma fighter.
     

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