mma or bjj/mt first?

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  1. babaganush

    babaganush White Belt

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    I was considering joining a bjj club with the intent of eventually using it to get into mma. A coach of a mma gym said that i may aswell just go to the beginners mma class as learning individual disciplines can cause difficulties transitioning to mma.

    What do you think? Should I learn abit of bjj or kickboxing before attending the mma class or is it usual/ok to just start learning mma from scratch.

    I have a little expierience with kickboxing in the past though never competitively and eventually i would like to be able to fight in some smaller mma shows.
     
  2. Newcastle

    Newcastle Brown Belt

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    Considering you posted in the grappling forum you are likely to get biased answers. That being said, I think it makes sense to establish a good ground game first. :icon_chee
     
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    Prokofievian Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    Specific first, otherwise you'll just be learning what someone else thinks is necessary. It can only limit your creativity and make you one of those guys who can throw a 1-2-roundhouse and says he can do muay thai, or someone who can do a triangle and an armbar, and can hold side control and therefore considers himself a 'ground fighter.'
     
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    IronCage** Banned Banned

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    Those who train MMA only are jack of all trades good at non. They look sloppy as hell with their stand up and on the ground.
     
  5. babaganush

    babaganush White Belt

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    So is everyone saying that individual disciplines are definitely required? So really could i just do bjj, kickboxing and then the mma class all at the same time or should I maybe do kickboxing and bjj for a while before goin to the class? thanks for all the replys
     
  6. vitor3000

    vitor3000 Blue Belt

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    Although I have zero experience in MMA or havent trained any MMA, Id say, develop a good base first before jumping into MMA or you'll be struggling with the basics of either BJJ or MT.
     
  7. Dedicado

    Dedicado Machetero

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    Two schools of thought and both have merit:

    Training in a great MMA camp will see that you get top level striking and grappling coaches as well as getting to fight nhb style right away which will acclimitize you to mma.

    Training in a shitty MMA will hurt you because your coaches aren't going to be as proficient as the coaches of your opponents and will leave you with giant holes in your game.
     
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    Dedicado Machetero

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    training MT specifically, long enough to get good at it will take a long time, then you have to learn the grappling game, then you have to get good at grappling and then throw it all together and go MMA.

    The key disadvantage here is time. Although you may end up being a much better fighter in the long run by going this route, it will take alot longer than if you were to take option A I mentioned above.

    What if you had enough money and time to start BJJ/No Gi grappling 2 times a week, striking 2 times and MMA specific once, all at the same club? YOu could train Mon-Fri., have Saturday as a gym or swing day and get really good relatively quicker than being sport specific without the jack of all trades, master of none problem posed by the first option?
     
  9. BorrowDolla

    BorrowDolla Green Belt

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    If you only do an mma program, dont expect to become a very good striker. You can probably say the same thing for grappling too except I'm thinking an MMA program is going to stress more grappling than actual standup technique.
     
  10. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

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    Do both, but focus primarily on the individual disciplines. In fact, to start with pick just one to focus on and do minimal training in MMA and the other disciplines. It's hard to do well as a generalist until you've put a lot of time in, while a specialist can get through the initial climb before stalling out.

    Striking, wrestling, bjj each take several years to be come truly competent.

    MT 3/wk,BJJ 1/wk,MMA 1/wk
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    BJJ 3/wk, MT 1/wk, MMA 1/wk

    Once you have your base you can start upping the other skills.
     
  11. blanko

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    ofcourse an mma coach would tell you to come to his class. A bjj guy will tell you to start with bjj first but then he would tell you to move on to mma.
     
  12. vern_Fonk

    vern_Fonk Orange Belt

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    train a specific first then branch off. your ground game will be sloppy and so will your striking. you'll just be a total , slopfest. look at every guy that is good at MMA, they specialized then branched off be it MT, or BJJ, or wrestling,..judo/sambo etc. You'll never, ever be a good fighter if you don't specialize first and get your base.
     

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