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MMA judging; damaging shots vs. volume

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by JJCc, Sep 18, 2021.

  1. JJCc Banned Banned

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    If someone lands 4-5 jabs (decent shots, not strong but decent), vs. opponent that lands one giant overhead that rocks the fighter.

    Who comes out ahead in that, who wins that exchange?

    The rules say damaging shots count the most, but how many volume shots does one damaging shot make up for?
     
  2. anakq Yellow Belt

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    volume wins always
     
  3. west42 Black Belt

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    You're asking to quantify something that can't be quantified. So, idk, how about 5? Does that work for you?
     
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    That rocks the fighter?

    Definitely that one lol
     
  5. JJCc Banned Banned

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    Everything can be quantified.
     
  6. Emjay I'LL BE RIGHT THERE!!! DON'T KILL HIM!!!

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    You can't quantify damage
     
  7. west42 Black Belt

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    Ok, 5 then. The answer is 5 jabs = 1 power shot
     
  8. DjHnd Green Belt

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    you need to define rocked. What if the guy landed a solid overhand and the opponent stumbles a bit but is otherwise recovered and back to jabbing?
     
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  9. JJCc Banned Banned

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    Well, since damage is in the rule books, the judges gotta have someway of determining damage that's quantified (even if it's their own opinion).

    I'd quantify damage based on:

    1) Reaction of opponent
    2) The type of shot thrown
    3) How clean the shot lands
     
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    Damage always wins according to the rules
     
  11. Emjay I'LL BE RIGHT THERE!!! DON'T KILL HIM!!!

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    This is an over simplified formula.
     
  12. JJCc Banned Banned

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    Sure, there's probably a lot more to the formula, but all judges probably have one.
     
  13. xhaydenx Black Belt

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    If it's a clear rock then the damage is going to be worth more.

    Could still easily lose the rest of the round or whole fight after that though.
     
  14. sdpdude9 Red Belt

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    Well there is no specific number to equate the two, it’s all about perception. Generally speaking, depending on the severity, rocking your opponent once in a round can overcome a small-medium disadvantage throughout the rest of the round.

    It’s generally not enough to overcome a large deficiency unless we’re talking about knocking your opponent down and nearly finishing, in which case that can overcome a large deficit.

    Since it’s largely a perception thing and not based on concrete rules, it really depends on the specific case. It’s difficult to really discuss in hypotheticals.
     
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  15. DelanoRunnymede Purple Belt

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    It's a tough one because someone landing 5 jabs would mean they're probably the more skilled fighter compared to a hail Mary overhand. Would have to extrapolate that over the course of a round to understand it better. For example if you win 4:00 minutes of a round clearly, but then get rocked towards the end, I think the person who who the majority of the round should take it, but that's not always the case when it comes to the judges. They tend to remember something big happening in the round especially if it's towards the end.
     
  16. First Day UFC Intern Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    • Octagon Control / Pressure
    • Damage
    If the volume fighter shook it off like its nothing (good recovery) we willl give it to the volume fighter

    But if the volume fighter's volume depleted considerably until the final bell ring, then we might have a spicy split decision verdict
     
  17. TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle Brown Belt

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    Legitimately rocking someone pretty much instantly negates everything your opponent has done in the rest of the round.

    5 jabs are not better than one big right hand, even if it doesnt visibly hurt your opponent. But if you only really land that one shot in a round while your opponent is chipping away at you the other 90% of the time, they probably win the round.
     
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  18. First Day UFC Intern Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Your post reminds me of Nate against Leon. Frustrating lol
     
  19. SherdogFan23 Brown Belt

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    It is point fighting PER ROUND where significant strike = significant strike, though refs have been known to bend how they score take downs,. knock downs, submission attempts, etc. There is also "control" where it is hard to know if they care about it based on results.
     
  20. WildShrimper The King

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    The judges have no idea they just randomly score rounds. Apparently one person thought Romero beat Davis.
     
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