Mma fighters and their strength levels used as a indicator for steroid use.

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So I can't be the only one that automatically think steroid use when you find out how much weight some Mma fighters are able to lift? Let me give you some information to back my claims.

Steroid use has been on the rise in the US for a while now.

"A survey of over 2,700 high school students in the Minneapolis area found that 5.9 percent of boys and 4.6 percent of girls had used anabolic steroids to help them build muscle." http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/11/14/peds.2012-0095.short

Here is a list of failed UFC drug tests from 2002 - 2014 though not everyone used PED's : http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/comprehensive-list-of-ufc-fighter-drug-test-failures/
Failed drug tests in 2016 and a few in 2017: http://mmaimports.com/2017/02/compr...-fighter-suspended-for-usada-drug-violations/
Victor Conte known from the Balco scandal claims six out of ten athletes are using drugs.

The point is that the average person has no clue what is actually achievable when it comes to lifting the maximum amount of weight without performance enhancing drugs because it's so rampant in society even among the average gym rat. And remember that Mma fighters are not powerlifters. They need to do a ton of skill work and work on their cardio as well.

Let me give you an example where imo the fighter is likely on gear based on his lifts. Marcus "the Irish hand grenade Davis" says the following in an interview before Ufc 85: "I went into training camp benching over 400 pounds" http://www.cagepotato.com/exclusive...s-talks-ufc-85-potential-title-shot-and-more/
When he started the training camp he weighed 193 lbs. The national record for the benchpress in the 100% raw federation (They don't allow shirts, wraps or lifting suits of any kind and they are also a drug free and drug tested organization ) in the 198 lbs class is 425 pounds.

Now granted the lifting form of many fighters are pretty shitty, but when they surpass or are close to people dedicated only to lifting weights without gear alarm bells should be ringing.
 
Chrono said:
So I can't be the only one that automatically think steroid use when you find out how much weight some Mma fighters are able to lift? Let me give you some information to back my claims.

Steroid use has been on the rise in the US for a while now.

"A survey of over 2,700 high school students in the Minneapolis area found that 5.9 percent of boys and 4.6 percent of girls had used anabolic steroids to help them build muscle." http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/11/14/peds.2012-0095.short

Here is a list of failed UFC drug tests from 2002 - 2014 though not everyone used PED's : http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/comprehensive-list-of-ufc-fighter-drug-test-failures/
Failed drug tests in 2016 and a few in 2017: http://mmaimports.com/2017/02/compr...-fighter-suspended-for-usada-drug-violations/
Victor Conte known from the Balco scandal claims six out of ten athletes are using drugs.

The point is that the average person has no clue what is actually achievable when it comes to lifting the maximum amount of weight without performance enhancing drugs because it's so rampant in society even among the average gym rat. And remember that Mma fighters are not powerlifters. They need to do a ton of skill work and work on their cardio as well.

Let me give you an example where imo the fighter is likely on gear based on his lifts. Marcus "the Irish hand grenade Davis" says the following in an interview before Ufc 85: "I went into training camp benching over 400 pounds" http://www.cagepotato.com/exclusive...s-talks-ufc-85-potential-title-shot-and-more/
When he started the training camp he weighed 193 lbs. The national record for the benchpress in the 100% raw federation (They don't allow shirts, wraps or lifting suits of any kind and they are also a drug free and drug tested organization ) in the 198 lbs class is 425 pounds.

Now granted the lifting form of many fighters are pretty shitty, but when they surpass or are close to people dedicated only to lifting weights without gear alarm bells should be ringing.
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Good post and lots of good info. People will give you the "TLDR" dance though.

FFMI would also be a good measure, if not to indicate steroid use, to provide a VERY strong indication of who to test.

BTW that natural bench-pressing federation sounds interesting. The limits of what people can do without enhancement is a very very useful topic.
 
Look at Cyborg deadlifting record weight in her weight class.

While being "weak from a weight cut 3 months ago".
 
Chrono said:
Look at my join date. I reckon I have him beat with a year or ten ;)
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Look at your messages count.

I reckon he's got you beat by a few tens of thousands.

It's all good, just never see you post here, whereas he's here all the time.
 
EGarrett said:
Good post and lots of good info. People will give you the "TLDR" dance though.

FFMI would also be a good measure, if not to indicate steroid use, to provide a VERY strong indication of who to test.

BTW that natural bench-pressing federation sounds interesting. The limits of what people can do without enhancement is a very very useful topic.
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It's actually all three lifts so squat and deadlift as well. It's a massive difference compared to what the roided to the gills with maximum equipment people can lift.
 
never really thought about this but i dont buy for a minute that marcus davis legit lifts 400+ legit on the bench even for a max out one rep regardless of what he says or if he was on juice or not he came from boxing and then into mma which as you said are bost cardio intensive and skill intensive sports not particualry focused on a huge bench number. its an intersting idea though i like it ; good too see some actual thought put into something on sherdog after reading all this uninformed garbage about steroids from people that have done no research nor have any personal experience kudos sir a like for you.
 
chitoortiz said:
Look at your messages count.

I reckon he's got you beat by a few tens of thousands.

It's all good, just never see you post here, whereas he's here all the time.
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I know. I was mostly a lurker back in the day when I joined and these days I might go months without checking Sherdog.
 
chitoortiz said:
Look at your messages count.

I reckon he's got you beat by a few tens of thousands.

It's all good, just never see you post here, whereas he's here all the time.
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Jesus, don't lose sleep over it sweetheart, it's only a forum <45>

Also OP are you saying from this data PED's really offer that much of an increase in strength, stamina etc?
 
Yeah. At this point, it's hard to believe any elite athlete is clean. At the Olympic level, maybe, but beyond that I doubt all of them being clean.
 
whoiselijah said:
Jesus, don't lose sleep over it sweetheart, it's only a forum <45>

Also OP are you saying from this data PED's really offer that much of an increase in strength, stamina etc?
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Definitely. You can find threads all over the internet discussing the strength gains. Reddit has a steroid subreddit and although I never intend to use gear myself, it's interesting to read how much stronger a single cycle can make you : https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/26s8wk/how_much_stronger_did_your_cycle_make_you/
 
I don't believe he was benching 400 lbs at 193 lbs, especially while only squatting in the 400's.
 
Most fighters who are making good enough money are on some form of PED's. The ones that get caught is usually because their PED guy fucked up or sometimes the body doesn't drain it out as planned. Ignorant fanboys will choose not to believe this but its true.

I've even heard someone say that UFC and Boxing pick and choose who comes out positive. Like if Conor was caught taking something but the UFC make so much money off Conor that they'd pay the commission to turn a blind eye. But that's just a conspiracy theory with no facts behind it.

I feel like they should all be on it. People get confused and think these are magically drugs but the main reason athletes take it is for recovery and injuries. They don't make you a more skillful fighter and that's why many fighters who get caught still end up losing. If all fighters were on it there would be less injuries and fighters could train harder for longer to reach their full potentials.
 
Let me give you another example this time not based on weight lifted but muscle weight gained.

Before his fight against Cheick Kongo at Ufc 107 in December 2009. Frank Mir recruited the help of Mark Philippi a powerlifter and strongman competitor. Assuming he started this releationship 12 weeks before the fight which is a pretty standard fight camp, Mir gained 20 pounds of muscle mass by implementing strongman training in his training routine . http://www.livestrong.com/article/551703-frank-mirs-strongman-training/

According to Alan Aragorn a renowned strength and nutrition coach among other things, there is a limit to how much natural muscle mass you can grow each month. The longer you have trained, the harder it will be to put on muscles. For someone like Frank Mir that has been training for many many years, he would fall into the advanced category where it's possible to grow 0.25 – 0.5% of your bodyweight in muscle per month.

Frank Mir weighed in at 265 lbs for his fight against Kongo. Let us assume he cut 10 lbs of water weight so his actual fight weight was 275 lbs. That would make his starting weight before training with Mark Philippi 255 lbs which makes sense since Mir used to weigh in around 250 - 255 lbs pre Ufc 100. His maximum pure muscle growth would then be 0.5% or 1.275 lbs per month. Another article states that Mir put on 25 lbs of pure muslce and not 20 lbs in a span of 4.5 months training with Mark.

Using Aragorn's formula, an advanced athlete like Frank Mir should only be able to put on 5,7375 lbs (1.275 x 4.5 ) of muscle in that amount of time.

Of course we later found out that that Frank Mir has been on TRT in the past and he also failed a drug test for turinabol in 2016.
 
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