***MMA Conditioning Article***

Yeh I agree that alot of people do LSD because its 'expected' or kind of like a 'tradition' but its still good for building a good base level of fitness. If you cant run a few miles without stopping you shouldnt be doing things like sprints imo.

Also about the Fedor thing, of course he looks like the baddest mufucka on the planet. What does being ripped have to do with fighting?

I couldn't agree more with the first part. Low to medium intensity is a great way to develop a good base level of fitness. Can't dispute that.

As for the second part. If you had never seen him fight, what about Fedor "looks" badass?
Fedor looks and acts like a nice guy. He's always smiling. He doesn't have any tattoo's. He's always polite and well mannered. Never disrespects anyone. And his bodytype is very average.

Is he a badass? FUCK YA .. Does he look like a badass? No, def. not .. he looks like your average, well mannered citizen.
 
Those are a bit different examples though. Diaz runs marathons because he wants to run marathons. It shows in his fight game. He looks slow and sluggish in the ring and his cardio is only 'decent.' Fedor has always said he just loves to run and it mellows him out. Randy primarily does circuits and small amounts of LSD, even then his cardio is questionable.

Fedor is probably your best attempt at an example there and I get what you're saying. Most people only do LSD though because it's expected. You seem like one of those.

Tell me why LSD is better for you in training than anaerobic conditioning. 'Uh, it's good for you' doesn't count.

I won't go as far as to call it useless, but it's the last thing on the list.

Well what those examples was was a direct answer to the silly claim that you "dont see any fighter on all access do long slow running" of course meaning that good pro mma fighters dont do that kind of training. Since that was an obviously false and misleading statement I wanted to prove that wrong.

Now honestly I think its a bit bold to to claim that Sherk has better cardio than say Randy for instance. Its a different game dominating physically smaller men than to fight guys that have a lot of muscle and weight on you, as if your a natural light heavy fighting huge heavyweights like in the case with Fedor and Randy. Randy sure as hell outworked Tito that was known to have quite good conditioning...

Now what I does and what I believe is another thing altogheter. I am a -huge- proponent for intervall work like tabatas, 400m intervalls, etc, I also love GPP work and heavy lifting.
All those things are great but in a typicall training week its hard as fuck balancing MMA training with added skill specific work (like bjj, wrestling, boxing and muay thai) with adequate strength and power work and adequate high paced conditioning work (like 400 m intervals for instance) and gpp work. Since longer slower runs sure as fuck dont tax your CNS in any noticeable way its a good way of getting in some extra training where you otherwise would need to rest, that training wont directly transfer into your explosive anaerobic bursts but it will hower help you recover between them (both inbetwen ronds and on your feet in slower paced action in the rond). Furthermore medium long (2-5km) runs is a great fucking way of relieving extensive soreness and quicker getting you ready for another hard training session. So just like a butt load of other things it is a usefull tool with specific purposes.
Doing arguing about "should you do intervall OR lsd" is about as productive as a mma athlete asking himself "should I do grappling OR striking"...

And for a few years back when I did a lot of mma training I didnt do any running or similar lsd training so you are reading me wrong, I have no problem not doing it, I have just simply come to the conclusion that it does have a valid place.

"Tell me why LSD is better for you in training than anaerobic conditioning. 'Uh, it's good for you' doesn't count. " Almost missed this... Well if I did heavy ass squats yesterday morning session and followed that up with taking heavy fucking low kicks in thai training yesterday evening session, hard 400m runs (which for the record is 50% aerobic and 50% anaerobic making it a good tool for both but it -is- cns taxing) this morning with a rundown CNS and legs I can barely walk on is not a good tool that morning. A nice slow 4km run that gives you some bonus aerobic training while at the same time working as good effective "active recovery" is in that example the proper tool. Of course you could argue that rest would have been a better option but myself I would be crippled for 2 days if I couldnt use some active rest.
 
Now honestly I think its a bit bold to to claim that Sherk has better cardio than say Randy for instance. Its a different game dominating physically smaller men than to fight guys that have a lot of muscle and weight on you, as if your a natural light heavy fighting huge heavyweights like in the case with Fedor and Randy. Randy sure as hell outworked Tito that was known to have quite good conditioning...

Randy and Fedor are not natural light heavyweights, they are natural heavyweights. MMA weight classes are just fucking stupid.
 
As a matter of fact I HAVE been to Thailand to train and I will be going back there in the very near future. Do you really think that the Thai's are up to date with modern strength and conditioning techniques? Do you think they've ever even heard of HIIT? Trust me, If you took a Thai, with the work ethic they have, and made them follow a modern conditioning program, they'd be THAT much better. The rounds in Muay Thai are even shorter than in MMA so running 10-12K to train for round lasting a couple minutes doesn't make much sense.

I'm not being funny, but you can't compare a thais physiology to a westerners.
Also, do you not think that pad work would count as HIIT work?
Not just a little?


I feel this thread has turned into the age old LSD vs HIIT debate which is silly.
Both are needed for modern fighting.
Ground work needs one type of fitness work, stand up needs another and MMA needs a real diversity. If you focus on one too much you will miss out
 
So football teams from pop warrner to the pros are all doing it wrong?

That is by and large THE most stupid thing I have ever read.

Do you think footballers start off running sprints without a solid grounding.
Do you also think they don't do any decent length runs to get the miles in their legs?
 
Randy and Fedor are not natural light heavyweights, they are natural heavyweights. MMA weight classes are just fucking stupid.

You think Fedor have any problems cutting to light heavy???

How the fuck can Randy be a natural heavyweight when he easily makes LHW and wrestled at that same weight... ...?
 
I'm not being funny, but you can't compare a thais physiology to a westerners.
Also, do you not think that pad work would count as HIIT work?
Not just a little?


I feel this thread has turned into the age old LSD vs HIIT debate which is silly.
Both are needed for modern fighting.
Ground work needs one type of fitness work, stand up needs another and MMA needs a real diversity. If you focus on one too much you will miss out

Yes, Pad Work is def. HIIT work. Good example.
On a different note, while I was training there, I was always curious to see what would happen if the Thai's cut down on the running a little and replaced it with some sport-specific weight training.
There's a camp in Phuket that's bringing in a strength and conditioning specialist for the guests and hopefully the Thai fighters that train there. Should be interesting to see how it effects their performance at the stadium.
 
Yes, Pad Work is def. HIIT work. Good example.
On a different note, while I was training there, I was always curious to see what would happen if the Thai's cut down on the running a little and replaced it with some sport-specific weight training.
There's a camp in Phuket that's bringing in a strength and conditioning specialist for the guests and hopefully the Thai fighters that train there. Should be interesting to see how it effects their performance at the stadium.

At my camp in lamai they have weights and a 400+ metre hill which is about 30-45 degree incline. They have 'quite' a few world champs there.

On a side note; people are arguing about the whole HIIT thing when it comes to running. You're HIIT and sprint work should be skill based IMO (only when fatique begins to deteriorate you're technique shoud you consider other things, but it should be really piss poor for you to think about something else), and other less taxing things done outside of training.
 
That is by and large THE most stupid thing I have ever read.

Do you think footballers start off running sprints without a solid grounding.
Do you also think they don't do any decent length runs to get the miles in their legs?

Ian, Show me one team that has 320lb line men run LSD. I mean it one porfessional or coolege american football team. You gonna claim those guys don't sprint either? Because that would be quite stupid.
 
Ian, Show me one team that has 320lb line men run LSD. I mean it one porfessional or coolege american football team. You gonna claim those guys don't sprint either? Because that would be quite stupid.

Damn americans and the use of the term 'football'.

Do you mean wannabe rugby players?


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Either way top athletes in their field


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I didn't say they didn't sprint at all. Where did I say that?
Or did I imply that they had to build up to a certain condition before sprinting.


edit- how far in a game do said line men run, on average?
 
As far as 'wannabe rugby,' do realize that the reason pads are worn is because the game is played on a much higher level. The athletes are larger, faster, and strong than Rugby players and it's simply not feasible to have them play in the same manner. Football(American) has some of the absolute best athletes in the world. No disrespect to Rugby but it's not exactly on the same level.

The rant is not necessarily just directed at you, I just despise when Europeans automatically write it off.
 
As far as 'wannabe rugby,' do realize that the reason pads are worn is because the game is played on a much higher level. The athletes are larger, faster, and strong than Rugby players and it's simply not feasible to have them play in the same manner. Football(American) has some of the absolute best athletes in the world. No disrespect to Rugby but it's not exactly on the same level.

The rant is not necessarily just directed at you, I just despise when Europeans automatically write it off.

Hey nps, if a free world (for the most part). We are all entitled to our own opinions



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How are footballers the best athletes if they have no endurance?

The definition of a good athlete is someone who is well rounded and possesses strength, speed, endurance, balance, power among other qualities.

I havent seen a game of football in a while but all I can remember is Start, Huddle, play, huddle, play, huddle, play, huddle. I think if you put alot of the big football players into a continuous contact game like Rugby or an MMA fight they would have a heart attack.
 
Also, if you dont think Fedor is a badass you obviously havent seen any Eastern European people in real life. Those guys (the big ones anyway) are all alpha as fuck and you can tell theyre tough and strong as shit. Also whoever said Chuck Liddell looks tough, lol.
 
Judging from the average length of Fedor's fights, I don't know how much cardio he really needs anyway. :icon_chee
 
I didn't say they didn't sprint at all. Where did I say that?
Or did I imply that they had to build up to a certain condition before sprinting.


edit- how far in a game do said line men run, on average?

No I said football players don't run LSD and you said that was stupid. Your post was crystal clear. Lineman push all out play after play and like many Americans I played high school and college football and I can assure you throwing up in barrels strategically placed around the practice field was a result of conditioning workouts and not bulemia.

Football players get their conditioning just like everyone else. They start out with so many number of sprints and increase them daily.
 
LSD, though I hate it, does have some benefits. Remember, you're not JUST training for the fight, your training for "TRAINING", too.

What I mean by that is, ya the fight is only 6-25 minutes, but most training sessions are 2-3 hours long. If you don't think aerobic conditioning will help in that aspect, think again.

Also, for acclimatization (Time zones, altitude) you need to adjust gradually, and LSD can help w/ that too.

So:
Cellular endurance
Recovery
Mental conditioning
Acclimatization

Even if you hit a 6mph run for 30 minutes, once every 7-10 days, you can get some benefit without having to cut out interval work (which I only do ever 6 or 7 days/Month anyhow).
 
No I said football players don't run LSD and you said that was stupid. Your post was crystal clear. Lineman push all out play after play and like many Americans I played high school and college football and I can assure you throwing up in barrels strategically placed around the practice field was a result of conditioning workouts and not bulemia.

Football players get their conditioning just like everyone else. They start out with so many number of sprints and increase them daily.

I said that when under the illusion you meant 'soccer' players.
Having a 320lb person run lsd is stupid as well. They would knacker their knees out pretty easily alone.
I think we had cross terms on this one.

Footballers (english termed ones) don't weigh nearly as much (less then me I would think, so sub 180), hence my 'thats stupid' remark because they are running like little retards for 2 45 min periods of varying speeds, so obviously varying levels of aerobic and anaerobic ability are there. But at high speed running if properly trained, a athlete remains in the aerobic area longer before hitting anaerobic, so they probably only go from running fast to sprinting a lot less then you'd think.

In a given game, how many plays and how how does each one last prey tell. This is completely foreign ground to me, but wouldn't said linebackers be termed more sprinters then anything? Sprinters don't NEED that same aerobic base the same as fighters, boom, run for sub minute times then stop for...welll.....how long till the next event or meet (in competition I'm talking).


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Midfielders run 10-12k per game if not more.
 
LSD, though I hate it, does have some benefits. Remember, you're not JUST training for the fight, your training for "TRAINING", too.

What I mean by that is, ya the fight is only 6-25 minutes, but most training sessions are 2-3 hours long. If you don't think aerobic conditioning will help in that aspect, think again.

Also, for acclimatization (Time zones, altitude) you need to adjust gradually, and LSD can help w/ that too.

So:
Cellular endurance
Recovery
Mental conditioning
Acclimatization

Even if you hit a 6mph run for 30 minutes, once every 7-10 days, you can get some benefit without having to cut out interval work (which I only do ever 6 or 7 days/Month anyhow).

Agreed.

You need that endurance just to continually work the skill element down to a t.

I don't often do HIIT work when thai training, because quite frankly I'm doing it every time I do thai
 

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