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Misconceptions about steroid usage in relation to physique

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by Todo Bale, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. Todo Bale

    Todo Bale Everything at least, Anything at most

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    While it's a given that the vast majority of competitive body builders use some form of anabolic steroid, it still befuddles me how so many mma enthusiasts are quick to point the accusatory finger at anyone with an admirable or impressive musculature in MMA. Sure, muscle shark Sean Sherk got busted but if you look at most of the fighters who have gotten caught for steroid usage, their physiques range from downright fugly to average at best. Just look at the list: Josh Barnett caught three times, more recently he appears to have had gynecomastia removal surgery (a man boob condition often associated with long term roids usage). He never had a body builder's physique but was noticeably more girthy at the peak of his usage circa UFC championship. Royce Gracie. Don't even get me started on Royce's build. Hermes Franca. He has a Chuck Liddell looking long armed apish look at best. Nothing that fits the stereotypical profile. Tim Sylvia was busted for juicing and is notorious for having one of the most scorned and hideous physical builds in heavyweight history. Nothing "Ah-nold" about him. Chris Leben was noticeably thicker and more girthy in his bout with Bisping after which he got caught juicing but he didn't have a "Manhoef" build.

    Yet even at that, people unfairly assume fighters who are very muscular and bulky like Alistair, Brock, Manhoef, Lashley, Kongo, Carwin must be juicing because god forbid a "normal" person ever be able to acquire physiques like theirs without cheating. Although I have no personal experience with steroids I have been weight training for a long time, wrestled in college and tried competing in an amateur body building competition just for fun. The horror stories about steroids I heard from buddies in the gym over the years scared the crap out of me but because some of them had experience with such substances I was able to learn facts and distinguish truth from myth. I'm not much for supplements and prefer just proper dieting but I know that sizeable gains and definition can be achieved with proper routines, dieting and supplement combinations---all without the use of banned substances.

    It is a common misconception that in order to get considerably larger and more ripped than your average/typical physique you need to be on anabolic steroids. In actuality, from what I understand, just like legal supplements, steroids will work for you depending on how you apply their usage. This is why guys who put more emphasis on functional training, martial technique and cardio in their routines don't get Ronnie Coleman/Marius Pudzianowski physiques but instead look like Barnett and Sylvia. On the contrary, Coleman and Pudzianowski look the way they do because of the types of workouts they do combined with their anabolic intake.

    Due to this, I say stop with the garbage accusations on fighters like Alistair, Manhoef, Lashley etc and consider such men innocent until proven guilty. Having massive ripped muscles doesn't automatically make you a steroid user. It is entirely possible to get huge and yolked out on legal supplements and the right types of anaerobic routines. Also, natural body size and genes have a lot to do with it too. It's when guys start getting to Coleman's and Schwarzenegger's (former) size that the usage is far more obvious but that's to a greater extreme. I'm damn sure a lot of the more barrel chested non-body builder looking guys in strongman competitions could very well be on steroids and they don't have super hero physiques. And once again, just look at Royce Gracie.

    P.S. forgot to include Anthony Torres...he's from my island and is actually my cousin but it's still embarrassing to know he was among the first to get busted in UFC's latter day generation. Dammit Anthony...ah well. GSP's physique is way more impressive than Anthony's and many have even speculated he juices. once again innocent until proven guilty I say.
     
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  3. Todo Bale

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    I thought the teenage let it all hang out crap like this mostly happened in the UFC and Contenders forums...then I remembered this is Sherdog...sigh
     
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    they catch fatties like Sylvia, Barnett and Royce, and people still think they can spot a roider by how ripped they are, it's fucking adorable.
     
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    victor conte said it all when he discussed how a drug test is just an IQ test. the physique might be a result of using, but more likely than not it is more genetic than anything else.
     
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    the guys with "bad" physiques were using roids because of their physiques, they were unfamiliar with the substances and got caught using them because they didnt know how to cycle them. The guys who look like body builders dont get caught because cycling steroids has become second nature to them
     
  8. Barut

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    There are some serious truth bombs being dropped in this thread.
     
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    dza76wutang Black Belt

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    I've always said "don't open your mouth until they pop a bad test", mostly from dealing with crap like that in my own personal life. I went from a very doughy 220 to a very lean 160 by working out twice a day and a really strict diet over one summer and the rumor that started circulating when I came back to school in September was that I had anorexia (WTF?!?!). Then I bulked up later in an attempt to become a competitive powerlifter (oh man did I eff that up) and people immediately started saying I was juicing.

    It's baffling how the obvious reasons (caloric intake and exercise intensity/frequency) are overlooked and mud-slinging is preferred (eating disorder or juicing).
     
  10. XTrainer

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    Does this thread have a point that I'm missing???
     
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    Are you going to respond to my PM? Why is this thread open and the pot thread closed? At least the pot thread had the potential for interesting conversation.
     
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    I believe the intent is to tell people to stop juding fighters for being jacked/ripped and assuming that they take steroids just because they have good physiques.
     
  13. XTrainer

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    Sure, PM sent.

    OK...
     
  14. IDRISCKY

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    LL Cool J took steroids.
     
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    Ubereem is the opposite of innocent until proven guilty.
     
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    It's called "horsemeat".
     

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