Mir vs Werdum for HW Championship?!?

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by ProDG, Aug 13, 2015.

  1. ProDG

    ProDG Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2015
    Messages:
    169
    Likes Received:
    24
    I would love to see Mir face Werdum. I don't mind Mir leapfrogging some guys to get this shot. I believe it will be very very competative on the ground. One could argue that it could be a stalemate on the ground because they are probably the two best submission grapplers in HW MMA history. Personally, I don't think both have great/good handspeed. Werdum has improved, especially with his composure in the boxing/kickboxing range range, and his striking in general has improved so much with Rafael; his counterstriking is on point. Subjectively, I think Werdum's striking is better than Mir's, especially because it's more diverse (more use of kicks), but relatively (as far as personal growth---before and after), Mir has made larger striking gains. Also, I think both can hit hard, but I think Mir may have the edge on punching power.

    Mir is not my favorite heavyweight. I'm not his biggest fan...but I'm a fan. I'd love to see have have one more crack at that HW strap. I think he has the ability to beat Werdum. Would he be the favorite? I don't think so...but I think he has a decent shot at winning, so I think he should get that chance before his fighting carreer is up.

    Just an afterthought: I think he has a better chance at beating Werdum than he does Velasquez.
     
  2. bloodyknuck

    bloodyknuck Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2011
    Messages:
    1,017
    Likes Received:
    459
    I think Mir would have trouble with the knees and clinch of Werdum, most likely would get Ko'd or subbed in the 2nd. He has his hands full with Arlovski, but it is possible he is only1 fight away from a title shot the heavy weight division is that thin.
     
  3. Nightmaree

    Nightmaree Questionmark

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2015
    Messages:
    10,695
    Likes Received:
    19,753
    Location:
    The Orchid
    2 fights ago Mir was on a 4 fight losing streak, now fighting fot the title?

    Werdum Cain 2 is a stupid match up

    Cain vs. Mir makes sense now, enough with this stupid rematches
     
  4. ShinkanPo

    ShinkanPo Coronalicious!

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Messages:
    28,732
    Likes Received:
    18,736
    Location:
    Strange realm
    Very interesting but Mir even though has picked up some new skills is not Physically in his prime I wonder how his cardio and Werdoom has shown to have good cage skills, we may see upper cuts in the clinch against the cage.
     
  5. Pierced7681

    Pierced7681 Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2007
    Messages:
    6,176
    Likes Received:
    6,174
    Location:
    nowheresville.
    Mirs boxing looks crisp I think he'd make Werdum buttscoot like the 2nd overeem fight
     
  6. RTL

    RTL NostraMMAus™ Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    7,075
    Likes Received:
    20,800
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Mir is so far away from a title shot. Velasquez, Arlovski, Miocic, JDS, Overeem, and Rothwell are ahead of him in the queue.
     
  7. BisexualMMA

    BisexualMMA Don't Put My Name in the Name of Steroids!

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    38,060
    Likes Received:
    78,150
    Location:
    Super Fight League Corporate HQ
    I'd rather see this than the Cain rematch.
     
  8. snakeyes1022

    snakeyes1022 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2007
    Messages:
    880
    Likes Received:
    142
    Location:
    NY
    I want to see this fight before Mir retires. The fact that Werdum is champ doesnt matter to the fan in me. However i fear we wont get to see the grappling because Werdums striking has gotten so much better. I think Wedum doesn't take any chances and potentially finishs Mir on the feet in the clinch.
     
  9. PrinceOfPain

    PrinceOfPain Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2009
    Messages:
    13,137
    Likes Received:
    9,965
    Location:
    South Africa
    Mir has a puncher's chance.
     
  10. THE WARMASTER

    THE WARMASTER Smell those Douglas firs

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,643
    Likes Received:
    257
    Location:
    Louisville, KY
    Same. Too bad the champion hasn't really lost until they lose twice these days.
     
  11. dakotaman

    dakotaman White Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2014
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    40
    When did Werdum bet Cain, isn't he a paper champ
     
  12. sberg

    sberg Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2010
    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    111
    Mir would get crushed...
     
  13. sberg

    sberg Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2010
    Messages:
    957
    Likes Received:
    111
    You can't be serious???
     
  14. TheCoward

    TheCoward Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2013
    Messages:
    1,719
    Likes Received:
    144
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    I've been thinking about this for the past few days. On one hand, it appears it could be an interesting grappling match. On the other, I am equally unsure the typical fan would find that interesting, and it appears both fighters have grown rather fond of their striking. If Mir is able to beat Arlovski, I would have no problem with this matchup.

    I am a huge Stipe fan, and would prefer that he gets the title shot. But recent news indicates that Cain, is for some reason, the one getting the next TS. At this point I'm fine with anyone fighting for the title other than Cain.
     
  15. Thunder17

    Thunder17 White Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    28
    Are people crazy here? Mir was on a four fight losing streak, three of which were KO/TKO's and the other a total domination.

    Mir takes out a weakened bigfoot, gasses in one minute against Duffee after playing rock em sock em and that gives him a title shot?
     
  16. BuffaloEmperor

    BuffaloEmperor Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2012
    Messages:
    4,587
    Likes Received:
    531
    Location:
    New York
    If Frank Mir can get another win over someone in the top 6 then yeah a title shot wouldn't be outrageous. Especially if Mir gets a win over Arlovski ( i believe there still fighting). Styles make fights and Mir vs Werdum on the ground would be amazing to watch.
     
  17. takerfamous

    takerfamous Blue Belt

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    798
    Likes Received:
    199
    Location:
    Dayton, Ohio
    He went 3 rounds with DC, 3 with Ecoreem, and got tko'd by Barnett and JDS. 2 decisions 2 tkos. All top 5 competition.

    He took time off snd has looked great since. AA has lost to a LHW and his great UFC comeback includes controversial win over Big Brown, the same bigfoot Mir beat, and a fight where he played Rockem sockem with Travis Browne
     
  18. Mammothman

    Mammothman Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2015
    Messages:
    12,412
    Likes Received:
    19,631
    Location:
    Panama, Panama City
    me too
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2015
  19. Thunder17

    Thunder17 White Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    28
    Disagree on looking "great", throwing bar style against Duffee and gassing under a minute made it anyone's fight. Had that fight gone another round or two, we could have seen classic Mir. All I'm saying is give the guy another fight or two before we declare him a contender.

    I'll give credit where it's due, but I don't see anything in Mir that we haven't seen before, the guy has always managed a comeback using the same tactics and people act like he's completely reborn.

    I never considered AA either, Miocic is the clear number 1 and should have gotten the shot.

    And sorry, but a major LOL at "controversial" against Browne. There was nothing wrong with that stoppage.
     
  20. Reason

    Reason Black Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2014
    Messages:
    5,031
    Likes Received:
    5,085
    Scenario 1: Cain wins, JDS wins, Mir wins. Mir vs JDS next.
    Scenario 2: Werdum wins, Miocic wins, Mir wins. Mir vs Cain next.

    He needs at least one more win before title shot, but if he does it, I think it'll be a competitive fight for first two rounds.

    Werdum TKO R3 or R4
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.