Milk...

[Matt Thornton]

I usually drink lots of skim milk. I'm a huge fan of the "healthy" PB&J (natural peanut butter, whole grain bread, all-fruit spread), and so milk always goes with that.

But here are some interesting "facts" (quotations because I don't know if it's true or not) I pulled up about cow's milk:

SOURCE: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/south109.htm

1. Bovine milk causes sickness in the majority of the world's population.

2. Epidemiological data show that calcium deficiency and osteoporosis rates are lower in non-milk consuming countries than in Westernized and industrialized milk-consuming nations.

3. Human consumption of cow's milk is a recent development in evolution. Pre-humans and human ancestors did not drink cow's milk. Early fossil evidence shows no signs of osteoporosis.

4. Milk is a source of calcium, but not the best source of absorbable calcium - other foods are better.

5. As a source of protein, liquid milk is less than ideal - other foods are better.

rBGH is injected into cows in order to elevate IGF-1 levels and increase milk production. Human and bovine IGF-1 is chemically identical,2 and this is important to note because when IGF-1 levels are elevated in injected cows, IGF-1 is secreted into the milk you drink. This IGF-1 also survives the pasteurization process.3 This means: your IGF-1 levels become elevated when you drink milk from a cow that's been injected with rBGH.

But, hold on. Before you buy thirty gallons of infected and contaminated milk in the hopes of building more muscle mass, you must know that elevated IGF-1 levels in adults is linked to many cancers and tumors.4,5,6,7,8,9

Even children are not immune from the health effects of elevated IGF-1 levels, which can include childhood bone cancer.10 Sadly, diseases in youth associated with elevated IGF-1 levels don't end with bone cancer. Other side effects can include juvenile onset (Type I) diabetes (by destroying insulin-producing pancreatic cells), allergic reactions, allergy, ear and tonsillar infections, bedwetting, asthma, and intestinal bleeding.

The side-effects of drinking contaminated milk vary because, aside from IGF-1 contamination, your milk may be contaminated with one (or all) of the following hormones: estradiol, estriol, progesterone, testosterone, 17-ketosteroids or corticosterone.11 The packaging of milk in plastic containers has increased contaminant levels.

So, while the injection of cows with hormones and antibiotics is good news for major pharmaceutical companies and dairy farmers, the presence of these contaminants in your food supply is detrimental to your health.

Also, a friend of mine who is strongly against drinking milk dropped me this link:

www.milksucks.com

I don't know about that site, though. They use that freaky PETA method of trying to gross you out of eating a certain food. I hate PETA, so if I see something resembling it, I tend to be kind of biased against it.

Is anyone able to shed some light on this? Kabuki, I know you put the stamp on that Aspartame thing. I had read those articles about Aspartame and didn't touch the stuff for almost a year. I even tried getting my family off the stuff. My girlfriend stopped drinking it for the most part. I would only drink Splenda. After reading that thread you had about Aspartame, I went out and got a Coke Zero (I had wanted to try it so bad but it had aspartame).

For the time being, I'm still going to bite the bullet and drink milk. It's an easy source of protein. But soon enough I think I'm going to just buy more protein powder, maybe some muscle milk. If this stuff about milk is true I think it's worth the extra price. I'll miss putting milk in my protein shakes though

 

[yomon]

milk isn't a favorite of mine anymore. I mostly get my protien from supplements now and have seen much better results. cheaper then meat too.

 

[Noskill]

Can you feel the agenda behind the argument? I can feel it.

Milk has never given me any problem. I like the taste. It contains good protein, calcium, D and A vitamins. If you are lactose intolerant, don't drink milk but don't try to tell people who aren't that milk is bad for them.

 

[Noskill]

Bovine milk causes sickness in the majority of the world's population.

Granted, but why should the other part, the one that is not caused to be sick by milk, refrain from drinking it?

rBGH is injected into cows in order to elevate IGF-1 levels and increase milk production. Human and bovine IGF-1 is chemically identical,2 and this is important to note because when IGF-1 levels are elevated in injected cows, IGF-1 is secreted into the milk you drink. This IGF-1 also survives the pasteurization process.3 This means: your IGF-1 levels become elevated when you drink milk from a cow that's been injected with rBGH.

Illegal in Canada, where I live.

Human consumption of cow's milk is a recent development in evolution. Pre-humans and human ancestors did not drink cow's milk. Early fossil evidence shows no signs of osteoporosis.

Not too many of them lived past 70+. Osteoporosis is an old woman's disease.

Milk is a source of calcium, but not the best source of absorbable calcium - other foods are better.

As a source of protein, liquid milk is less than ideal - other foods are better.

Ok, so maybe milk is not the ideal calcium/protein supplement, why should that keep me from drinking it, given that it remains a good source of both??

 

[EclipseAgent]

Milk in Moderation is good.. Overduing it isn't due to the fat content.. (regular D milk).

 

[Noskill]

The fat content in my whole wheat bread is higher than in my milk. 3 grams of fat for 80 grams of whol wheat bread= 3,75% fat.

2% is not much.

But look who seems like having an agenda now:icon_chee .

 

[bacon]

Here are the references for the article you posted Iceman....

T. B. Mepham and others, "Safety of milk from cows treated with bovine somatotropin," LANCET Vol. 344 (November 19, 1994), pgs. 1445-1446.
Judith C. Juskevich and C. Greg Guyer, "Bovine Growth Hormone: Human Food Safety Evaluation." SCIENCE Vol. 249 (1990), pgs. 875-884.
C. Xian, "Degradation of IGF-1 in the Adult Rat Gastrointestinal Tract is Limited by a Specific Antiserum or the Dietary Protein Casein," JOURNAL OF ENDOCRINOLOGY Vol. 146, No. 2 (August 1, 1995), pg. 215.
Mariana Resnicoff,... and Renato Baserga, "The Insulin-like Growth Factor I Receptor Protects Tumor Cells From Apoptosis IN VIVO," CANCER RESEARCH Vol. 55 (June 1, 1995), pgs. 2463-2469.
J. Gillespie, et al. Inhibition of pancreatic cancer cell growth in vitro by the tyrphostin group of tyrosine kinase inhibitors. Br.-J-Cancer, Dec 1993, 68(6), pp. 1122-1126.
Atiq, et al. Alterations in serum levels of insulin-like growth factors and insulin-like growth-factor-binding proteins in patients with colorectal cancer. Intl-J-Cancer, May 1994, 57(4), pp. 491-497.
T. Yashiro, et al. Increased activity of insulin-like growth factor-binding protein in human thyroid papillary cancer tissue. Jpn-J-Cancer-Res., Jan 1994, 85(1), pp. 46-52.
E.A. Musgrove, et al. Acute effects of growth factors on T-47D breast cancer cell cycle progression. Eur-J-Cancer, 29A (16), 1993, pp. 2273-2279.
J.A. Figueroa, et al. Recombinant insulin-like growth factor binding protein-1 inhibits IGF-I serum, and estrogen-dependent growth of MCF-7 human breast cancer cells. J-Cell-Physiol., Nov 1993, 157(2), pp. 229- 236.
C.C. Kappel, et al. Human osteosarcoma cell lines are dependent on insulin-like growth factor I for in vitro growth. National Cancer Institute (NCI) Cancer-Res., May 1994, 54(10), pp. 2803-2807.
Clark Grosvenor, Hormones and Growth Factors in Milk, Endocrine Review, 14:6, 1992.
Nutrition Action Healthletter, April 1990
Valachovicova T, Slivova V, Sliva D. Cellular and physiological effects of soy flavonoids. Mini Rev Med Chem. 2004 Oct;4(8):881-7.


The last one is the only recent reference and it's for a soy study. I'd like to see some recent data on this from a different source. Where's Madmick when you need him?

Until I see hard evidence that Milk kills, I'm drinkin it.

 

[HP_Nut]

War Milk!

Bump because I'd like some of the experts to weigh in.

 

[Bizz]

I love Skim milk

 

[Big Eck]

Sounds like vegan bullshat to me.

Milk is the rule.

 

[Chad Hamilton]

Whole milk....intact.

 

[GreenRecon]

The lactose intolerants are trying to convince the world milk is evil. I say prove it and take your findings to nightline or somebody... until then, i will drink my milk and enjoy my muscle building caseins!!

 

[Sinister]

Human Milk > Bovine Milk, where humans are concerned.

Period.

 

[Paul1]

milk is good

 

[Matt Thornton]

Whoah guys, just so you know, I put this stuff in quotations for a reason. I'm not stating facts or anything. I'm just showing what I read. I wanted to know what you all thought.

Noskill, that's good that rGBH is illegal in Canada. I live in the states, though, so this is a concern for me. Do I really want to be drinking milk from rGBH injected cows?

I guess, even though I don't like green vegetables, if I can get calcium from them and a calcium supplement, and if I can get my protein through meat, fish, egg whites, powders, and combinations of plants, maybe I should just avoid the risk of milk altogether.

 

[Matt Thornton]

Human Milk > Bovine Milk, where humans are concerned.

Period.

Haha. Well I can't just go up to a lactating woman and start breastfeeding from her. I don't know if I'd really want to, anyways. (Although theoretically, if breastmilk is what we drink to grow and it has the nutrients we need, you'd probably be healthy as hell if you drank it)

I know it's not the same but, how would you rate Muscle Milk? If I can get it cheap enough? Does it live up to its hype at all, or can I get the same thing from a simple casein-whey combination?

 

[Sinister]

Haha. Well I can't just go up to a lactating woman and start breastfeeding from her. I don't know if I'd really want to, anyways. (Although theoretically, if breastmilk is what we drink to grow and it has the nutrients we need, you'd probably be healthy as hell if you drank it)

I know it's not the same but, how would you rate Muscle Milk? If I can get it cheap enough? Does it live up to its hype at all, or can I get the same thing from a simple casein-whey combination?

On the first paragraph. That's what knocked up girlfriends/wives are for.

Second question, ironically you bring up the one supplement with cornered science on this subject.

Anyone ever wonder why Muscle Milk is even called Muscle MILK when it's non-lactic? It's a bit of an oxymoron. It's because chemically the molecule(s) that formulate it were designed to specifically be close (if not identical, I forget) to human milk. It does use bovine peptides, but it more closely resembles human milk than regular milk does, which makes it more superior.

In terms of other caseins, I'm not sure but my guess would be no for the simple fact that most of these supplement companies do patent their products. I noticed the MM RTD's now have "The Original" on them or something to that affect, so obviously Cytosport (all of whom's products get GLOWING reviews, everything from the Fast Twitch, to the Cytomax, to the Cytoflex, to the gels they make) is getting sick of the "me too" companies emulating their shit. But they can't make it IDENTICAL, or they'd be sued out of business. So my guess is the other forms are going to be slightly degenerated and thus, less efficient.

 

[FistInFace]

Haha. Well I can't just go up to a lactating woman and start breastfeeding from her.

Yes you can my friend. :icon_chee

 

[fwb]

Milk is great. I've probably drunk close to a thousand gallons of milk (mostly skim) throughout my life, and I'm healthy as hell. Never broke a bone, and trust me my body has gone through a LOT.

2. Epidemiological data show that calcium deficiency and osteoporosis rates are lower in non-milk consuming countries than in Westernized and industrialized milk-consuming nations.

And, so what...#4 (4. Milk is a source of calcium, but not the best source of absorbable calcium - other foods are better.) answers that, these other countries have other sources of calcium. Most people in america have shitty diets.

3. Human consumption of cow's milk is a recent development in evolution. Pre-humans and human ancestors did not drink cow's milk. Early fossil evidence shows no signs of osteoporosis.

And early humans did not live much past their 20's. I have yet to hear of osteoporosis in someone even twice that age.

5. As a source of protein, liquid milk is less than ideal - other foods are better.

In terms of natural liquid, milk is the best source. No other drinkable substance in nature comes close. Of course solid, dense FOODS can be better. Take out most of the water, and you pretty much get cottage cheese, which is absolutely an ideal source of protein.

 

[Sinister]

In terms of natural liquid, milk is the best source. No other drinkable substance in nature comes close. Of course solid, dense FOODS can be better. Take out most of the water, and you pretty much get cottage cheese, which is absolutely an ideal source of protein.

Eh, depends on who you are. Soy Milk is just as viable for women, and Goat Milk is pretty equivalent though the taste sucks. And again, human milk > bovine milk...for humans. Human milk is a natural liquid.

And the supplement Muscle Milk might just be biochemically superior, but it's too early in it's creation to tell.