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Economy Microsoft Reportedly in Process of Buying TikTok as Trump Administration Mandate Sale

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  1. Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The concern that China will use TikTok to access user data is really no more significant than the US (or to be more precise, the NSA) use of Facebook and Google for their data collection. It's wilful ignorance if you think the CCP is the only one playing at surveillance state. However the implications are different. The CCP wanted Facebook and Google to provide user info to them in the same way they provide it to the US, and considering Western support for the Uighurs and Hong Kong independence the companies wouldn't do it. So China blocked them.
    The downside whenever countries take this path is the threat to the international nature of the internet, which is generally a positive. As seen right here on Sherdog.
    The balkanisation resulting from the struggle between surveillance states, political hegemonies and various degrees of state censorship is a threat to that.
    It isn't necessarily going to be limited to government interference either, although we haven't seen commercial balkanisation to any significant degree yet (AOL had a crack at it, but failed. You probably don't remember when AOL and Compuserve wouldn't exchange emails).
     
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  2. Cubo de Sangre President of the War Room

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    Blocking Western ideas might help explain why China hasn't gotten more liberal (as predicted by those justifying cooperation with China). Instead we seem to be getting more communists.
     
  3. Rocco Siffredi Green Belt

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    Seems like what tik tok does is much more than our apps according to someone who reversed engineered it.
    https://www.boredpanda.com/tik-tok-...oogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

    But I think tik tok is much more in bed with the gov than FB or Google. FB and Google care about money... I wouldn't really trust that tiktok is just interested in that.
     
  4. Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Did you pay attention when the PRISM program and NSA data collection were revealed?
    Personally I don't even have a mobile phone.
    If you actually care about privacy it's up to you to ensure it. The days of assumption of privacy are long gone.
    I wouldn't touch "tiktok" (not my sort of social media anyway), or Baidu or any number of other apps, but don't think your information isn't being collected by facebook, google or the connected devices you own. For the most part people obviously don't care, because they are broadcasting their information and actively self promoting with apps like tiktok and youtube.
    If you want to get some idea of how much information can be automatically processed and indexed in real time just from all these videos being uploaded, check out some of the open source deep learning/machine learning/neural network projects like YOLO v4.
     
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  5. brother mouzone Orange Belt

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    shutting down internal travel but allowing them to flee wuhan is a troubling sign indeed

    maybe the virus was not meant to be a weaponized one, but they certainly let it become that by only allowing wuhan residents to flee the city by going to other countries
     
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    What are the odds of this being about Trump being pissed off his Tulsa rally got ruined?
     
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  7. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    I don't think we are getting Communist. Folks on the left like Bernie , AOC and others support Democratic Socialism, which is just an expansion of safety nets. They want the US to emulate Western Europe and other Western democracies more.

    China isn't Communist anyways, they are an expansionist racial nationalist regime.
     
  8. jrams Red Belt

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    GDPR should be an internationally accepted policy and any company operating/registered in a country that doesn't adhere to it shouldn't be allowed on our app stores.

    I hate how twitter keeps trying to push her because it's so lazy and uninspired. Same with that other #resister Jeff Tidrich or whatever the fuck his name is.

    Hopefully once Biden is president then comedy can go back to being funny and not just the lowest common denominator of Trump jokes.
     
  9. brother mouzone Orange Belt

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    What, are you saying that social media is manipulated??! That's a debunked far right wing conspiracy theory.

    The krassenstein brothers are absolutely relevant in the real world. totally not manipulated!
     
  10. Yehudim Orange Belt

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    They are at least getting more socialist, in the sense that government is taking a larger part in the role of the economy And the fact that state owned companies are playing a larger role in the economy

    But it isn’t classical socialism, it’s more like the fascist regimes. It’s more about controlling society rather than trying to improve the conditions of the working masses

    when he said communist though, I’m almost certain he meant authoritarian/social control that is present in most communist societies (regardless if that is supposed to be a part of communism or not)
     
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  11. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    Well Trump admin just said they are going to ban TikTok and want to force it to sell. And a few years back Trump talked about forcing American companies to leave China or else. And more recently Trump has forced big pharma to reduce the price of drugs. But the criticism we are becoming Communist or Socialist is coming from the right. You know if Obama had done these things the rightwing media would be having a field day calling Obama a Marxist , Communist, Anti Capitalist etc..

    I don't disagree with the above mentioned Trump actions by the way.
     
  12. Yehudim Orange Belt

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    Maybe I misinterpreted his post but I thought he was saying that CHINA was getting more communist, not the US.
     
  13. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    I took it to mean we (the US) is going towards Communism.
     
  14. Low Test With da Best Fife Island Platinum Member

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    Is Vine still hip or did TT take that market somehow? And yes, Vine isn't nonprofit.
     
  15. Lead /Led/ like the panda Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Vine is dead from what I thought and yea, I’d say TT took all of the vine crowd.
     
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  16. Oceanmachine Purple Belt

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    Why would they sell it to the west?

    To be honest I hope it stays in Chinese hands. I dont want all power to be held by Facebook, Microsoft, and Google
     
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    At the end of the day, the majority will only be bothered by the topics they are told to be. If X politician (Someone important on the international stage) made a big enough fuss there would be reaction relative to the problem at hand. Too many politicians have their hand in the Chinese cookie jar to give a fuck about the bigger picture.
     
  18. Cubo de Sangre President of the War Room

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    Look brother. I appreciate your attempt at definitional clarity here. I've got a B.A. in Sociology (all A's except one B+ :mad:). True story.

    I tell you that not to brag (anyone could do it), but to let you know that moving forward when I conflate commie, marxist, authoritarian, and leftist, they all refer to the anti-American sentiment trending heavily right now. My posts won't be quibbling over the exactness of what something could be called (as if posters could agree on the reality that would define it). In fact, didn't you and I just go multiple exchanges in another thread, where I believe you acknowledged zero of my points? So you can catch my drift when I say commie, or... :D

    That said, Western Europe is not something to emulate. Nor is China (who'll be known by me moving forward as commie scum and America's enemy).

    Great things happen when people are motivated to work hard, can speak their minds, defend themselves and what's theirs, and retain the fruits of their labor. Sure, there's room for some safety nets and pubic education. And yes, even the regulation of businesses that pervert social values. But letting the legislative balance tip in favor of cradle to the grave government means American values are lost.

    I'm an American, so commies, marxists, authoritarians, and leftists can get fucked. :cool:


    See above. And I appreciate you how you chimed in.
     
  19. Lead /Led/ like the panda Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I believe there’s two different versions of the app. Trump seems to be forcing a divestment of the US operations one. The reason they would give into selling it is because they may make more money selling now then staying in just to have it banned and crash. China already does this with their social platforms but I don’t think it’s a great look for the US and Trump is grasping at straws to make US/ China relations headlines news as every other topic he isn’t looking too good on.
     
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    Whitehats will fine tooth comb it and find out if it’s still doing the same shady shit it was doing under a company sponsored by a hostile foreign government.
     
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